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Why dont Serie A and La Liga have all final games at same time?

Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:14 pm
Posted by LSUMJ
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Posted on 5/26/24 at 9:14 pm
Like the other leagues?

Spain had 5 games yesterday, 5 today

Italy had 2 yesterday, 7 today and one next week as Fiorentenia Atalanta next week i assume for the europa conference final

Seems ripe for shenanigans
Posted by TCO
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:45 am to
Something something fascists
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:06 am to
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Spain


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Italy


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shenanigans


Posted by stlslick
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:24 am to
why do leagues use goal difference after 38 grueling games to decide titles, rather than have the top2 who are tied, play a 1 game, winner takes all?

main reason, Europe is ghey

goal difference is one of the most flawed ways to decide anything.

Imagine if America was ghey as Europe, and awarded titles because 1 team scored more runs, baskets,etc.



Posted by 5 Deep
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:28 am to
The European soccer method of playing each team once home and once away (therefore everyone has the exact same opponents) is infinitely the best way to decide a champion as opposed to a playoff system where whoever gets hot at the right time wins it all

I’d argue most American pro sports champions are usually not won by the team that was most successful over the course of the entire season (#1 seeds)
Posted by stlslick
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 8:29 am to
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is infinitely the best way to decide a champion as opposed to a playoff system where whoever gets hot at the right time wins it all



buwahahaha ok clark
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:01 am to
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why do leagues use goal difference after 38 grueling games to decide titles, rather than have the top2 who are tied, play a 1 game, winner takes all? main reason, Europe is ghey goal difference is one of the most flawed ways to decide anything. Imagine if America was ghey as Europe, and awarded titles because 1 team scored more runs, baskets,etc.



Disagree. Football is all about the goals. Scoring them and not getting scored on. I have no issue with goal difference
Posted by Girth Donor
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:20 am to
Not every league uses GD to be the first tiebreaker. La Liga uses head to head as its first tiebreaker. I'm sure they are not the only ones.
Posted by BCLA
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 9:42 am to
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goal difference is one of the most flawed ways to decide anything.



It's not even the most flawed way in soccer, that title belongs to penalty kicks.

I prefer head to head as a tie breaker, but with ties included in soccer goal difference makes sense.
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/27/24 at 1:25 pm to
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Imagine if America was ghey as Europe, and awarded titles because 1 team scored more runs, baskets


It’s goal difference, not points scored. The champion routinely has the best goal difference, the year Liverpool beat out Man City being a glaring exception. It’s an excellent way of determining who is a better team and evaluates performance over an entire season.

This post was edited on 5/27/24 at 1:27 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 2:00 am to
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The European soccer method of playing each team once home and once away (therefore everyone has the exact same opponents) is infinitely the best way to decide a champion as opposed to a playoff system where whoever gets hot at the right time wins it all


But then a European soccer team can make it boring by winning through the first half of the season… they can play so-so the second half and still cruise to the trophy
Posted by lsugorilla
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 9:11 am to
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winning through the first half of the season


So in this scenario they have beat every team.

Still better than other models.
Where you don’t even play every team. So you don’t actually know who is better unless you use “the eye test”
Posted by lsugorilla
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 9:14 am to
Or a system where all the good teams are in one division/conference/league.
And others are bad.
And you get some crappy teams in the playoff that have a couple fluke wins while there.
Heck you’ll see teams with losing records in playoffs sometimes
Posted by 5 Deep
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Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:11 pm to
I mean yes this system can lead to “boring” champions where it’s not decided in the final week or 2 like most fans would hope for


But teams fighting for top 4/european spots and then relegation pretty much always makes the final week or 2 of the season important/entertaining

Even with City’s crazy success they’ve been challenged until the last week or 2 most seasons, right? I know there was atleast 1 or 2 where they cruised to the title but still. It’s not like Bundesliga the last decade before this season (and that even came down to Dortmund choking last year) or PSG with Ligue 1


If Pep leaves City they’ll still be elite but certainly drop off a little just cause Pep is that good. Arteta and Arsenal obviously have built something great. One of if not both of Chelsea/United should be back in the hunt before too long. Liverpool obviously a huge question mark with new manager but of course have the talent. Villa has plenty of money and Emery is committed to being there long term. Spurs prob aren’t going to be competing for titles but they’re not going anywhere in terms of being top 5 quality

I think the next decade of premier league should be very entertaining

And yes I realize this post has kinda gone off the rails and has nothing to do with the OP but now that I’ve typed it all it’s too late
Posted by RemouladeSawce
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:36 pm to
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Like the other leagues?

Spain had 5 games yesterday, 5 today

Italy had 2 yesterday, 7 today and one next week as Fiorentenia Atalanta next week i assume for the europa conference final

Seems ripe for shenanigans
It’s exactly what the NFL does the final week. These leagues just do multiple days as opposed to multiple game windows on the same Sunday

All teams fighting for a specific division title, wild card spot, or seeding play at the same time. It’s just a question of which window they and the teams they’re fighting against get (12 or 3 CT). Week 18 usually sees the highest number of afternoon games because if there’s a West coast team playing at home that’s in the mix for something, any East coast teams that could have impacted the competitive nature of that game will also start in the late afternoon window

For Serie A / La Liga, all involved parties in the hunt for a title / trying to secure specific European spots / avoiding relegation play at the same time
This post was edited on 5/30/24 at 2:28 am
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
53394 posts
Posted on 5/30/24 at 4:26 pm to
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So in this scenario they have beat every team. Still better than other models. Where you don’t even play every team. So you don’t actually know who is better unless you use “the eye test”


Or a scenario where team A loses every match to teams B, C, D, E, and F but beats teams G through T twice each… you shouldn’t be able to win the league just by beating also-rans
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12692 posts
Posted on 6/2/24 at 6:54 pm to
Because both leagues actually ended two months ago.
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