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Louisiana college tuition autonomy bill nears final passage
Posted on 5/21/24 at 8:18 am
Posted on 5/21/24 at 8:18 am
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The Louisiana Senate passed a bill Monday giving colleges and universities more autonomy to set their tuition and fees.
House Bill 862 by Rep. Jason Hughes, D-New Orleans, would allow boards for Louisiana’s four university systems to set differential tuition for any graduate, professional or high-cost undergraduate programs. The bill would also give the boards complete control over mandatory fees. It passed on a 35-3 vote, with Republican Sens. Mike Fesi of Houma, Valarie Hodges of Denham Springs and Blake Miguez of New Iberia opposing the bill.
The legislation was amended to align its effective date with a 2022 law that exempts certain graduate assistants from mandatory fees. Because it was amended by the Senate, it must go through one more vote in the House before heading to the governor for a signature or veto. If signed, the law will take effect Aug. 1.
Differential tuition is an amount charged on top of base tuition for more expensive academic programs, such as lab-heavy curricula in science or engineering. The Board of Regents, the state oversight board for all higher education, would identify which programs are considered “high-cost.”
Louisiana requires a two-thirds of the Legislature to sign off on any tuition changes at its public colleges and universities. Most other states leave this decision up to higher education management boards.
Hughes’ bill would not allow university systems to raise fees and differential tuition more than 10% every two years. It also allows schools to lower tuition and fees without limits. The ability to lower tuition has been sought for some high-demand fields such as teaching. The bill would not have an impact on the cost of TOPS, which provides state-funded student aid to many Louisiana students, as the amount of the award is no longer directly tied to the cost of tuition.
The proposal also gives university systems control over mandatory fees for any program. Tuition and fees at Louisiana universities increased drastically during the 2010s, when the burden to finance higher education was shifted from the state to students.
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Posted on 5/21/24 at 8:20 am to 4cubbies
Bad idea. College is already too expensive and giving universities the ability to set fees is already out of hand most places…
Posted on 5/21/24 at 8:21 am to 4cubbies
What are your thoughts re: incentivizing single mothers to have babies out of wedlock leading to an increase in number of babies born out of wedlock?
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Posted on 5/21/24 at 8:22 am to The Maj
My initial thought was that this is just going to drive more smart kids/people out of the state.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 8:31 am to 4cubbies
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Differential tuition is an amount charged on top of base tuition for more expensive academic programs, such as lab-heavy curricula in science or engineering.
If college tuition autonomy makes STEM fields more exclusive I'm for it. Put market forces on companies that demand STEM labor by subsidizing tuition cost. As STEM education gets more expensive the natural market force will be from the companies that need these resources in terms of scholarships, grants, subsidies, etc.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 8:51 am to GumboPot
When I was in college forever ago, there were already additional lab fees and other fees for various majors that requires additional resources. Did those go away?
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:23 am to GumboPot
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If college tuition autonomy makes STEM fields more exclusive I'm for it. Put market forces on companies that demand STEM labor by subsidizing tuition cost. As STEM education gets more expensive the natural market force will be from the companies that need these resources in terms of scholarships, grants, subsidies, etc.
This would have a negative effect. This will end up with fewer STEM opportunities for millions of students that don't have connections to businesses. A lot of new comp sci graduates are also hired by small companies that can't afford to pay for 4 years of tuition before the student can even contribute on a minimal level. Many new graduates go through recruiters. They get paid to find jobs. They are not going to pay for just a potential candidate. So that option for a job search will be gone as well.
This is basically requiring the majority of stem graduates to be sponsored before college, eliminating their ability to prove themselves through their work and gained knowledge. This also brings up a host of issues.
Will students be required to work for their sponsors? For how long? If companies are just expected to subsidize schools instead of individuals, then are they going to focus on larger schools and ignore all the people that went to smaller schools?
I think we should increase the costs of useless degrees that have little ROI, like liberal arts, and use that extra tuition to cover the costs of large tech equipment instead of forcing the people that will actually contribute to society to pay more.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:25 am to 4cubbies
Central planning is due for a win. Surely THIS is the time they score their first victory!
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:38 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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hink we should increase the costs of useless degrees that have little ROI, like liberal arts
So more regulations and government involvement will lead to… what exactly?
Looks like you want to punish social workers, economists, psychologists, linguists, etc for what reason? Because they don’t provide any useful services?
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:50 am to The Maj
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Bad idea. College is already too expensive and giving universities the ability to set fees is already out of hand most places…
Consider too that allowing these colleges to increase further will likely mean that the delta created between TOPS and tuition will be filled with an increased use of student loans.
The increased student loan employment will do a few things:
1. It will incentivize outward migration of young people to job markets where they can make more to pay down their debt. Will they come back? Unlikely.
2. As young people begin working, they will be sending portions of their income to out of state loan holders. This will adversely affect the state in numerous ways, but particularly you will see LA follow other states where young people delay fully participating in the colony by starting families, buying homes, etc. Then, when they do start to fully participate, incentives for having less kids will abound. I lice out of state and see firsthand what student loan debt from other parts of the country has done to delay childbearing and to limit family size. Not everyone who delays starting a family does so because they are self-indulgent millennials.
3. What will bigger college budgets really yield? Is the ability of colleges to raise money going to increase or decrease the likelihood of some badly needed consolidation within LA higher-ed? Do we really think that increases to tuition are going to be devoted to important disciplines that the state needs to support its workforce and attract industry? I refuse to believe that tuition increases across colleges are going to yield more medical practitioners or engineers.
So, bottom line here is that allowing this will likely result in dollars leaving the state, talented portions of the workforce leaving the state, decreased/delayed participation by those who remain, and decreased chances for some badly needed consolidation within LA higher education.
Not good for the long term.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 10:55 am to 4cubbies
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So more regulations and government involvement will lead to… what exactly?
Looks like you want to punish social workers, economists, psychologists, linguists, etc for what reason? Because they don’t provide any useful services?
The poster you responded to brings up an interesting regarding the taxpayer's ROI. Does LA really need the skills of the careers you listed relative to the need for others like Healthcare professionals, engineers, etc?
No need to think of this as "punishing", but the taxpayers have some skin in this game and the tuition incentives for in demand skills (which would in some way come at the cost of others who desire not in demand skills) should be considered.
You seem to be portraying "useful" skills in a binary way. It should be looked at as relative.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:26 am to 4cubbies
sooo engineering degrees will cost more than liberal arts degrees? should be the other way around. snuff out that dumb arse major that contributes zero to the economy.
stupid
stupid
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:36 am to 4cubbies
Horrible idea!
But TOPS covers tuition!
Future Tuition $3,000
Future Fees $30,000
But TOPS covers tuition!
Future Tuition $3,000
Future Fees $30,000
Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:26 pm to 4cubbies
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When I was in college forever ago, there were already additional lab fees and other fees for various majors that requires additional resources. Did those go away?
Centenary did not have them when I went to school. But they did require you to take an interim course during Xmas break for a small fee. You chose a class (out of 10) that was interesting but not justifying a full semester of study. Just 1 month. I took ESP and psychic phenom. It was fascinating. And I did get into some trouble with my project.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:23 pm to 4cubbies
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Hughes’ bill would not allow university systems to raise fees and differential tuition more than 10% every two years. It also allows schools to lower tuition and fees without limits. The ability to lower tuition has been sought for some high-demand fields such as teaching.
Sounds like the universities would have the ability to lower tuition to attract more students.
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The bill would not have an impact on the cost of TOPS, which provides state-funded student aid to many Louisiana students, as the amount of the award is no longer directly tied to the cost of tuition.
This sounds good I think.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:49 pm to NineLineBind
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Sounds like the universities would have the ability to lower tuition to attract more students.
Let me know when that happens
Posted on 5/21/24 at 1:58 pm to Pezzo
One college in Alabama
Biology Fees $8 per credit hour
Clinical Laboratory Fees $8 per credit hour
Fine Arts Fees $8 per credit hour
Physical Science/Chemistry Fees $8 per credit hour
Speech & Hearing Fees $8 per credit hour
Hybrid Course Fee $20 per credit hour
Online Course Fee $40 per credit hour
Administrative Service Fee3 $35 per term
Student Activity Fee3 $170 per term
Student Health Fee3 $25 per term
Technology Fee $10 per credit hour
Athletic Fee $7 per credit hour
First-Time Student Orientation Fee $125 one time non-refundable fee
University Affiliation Fee4 $135
These are all on top of tuition and not regulated by the State of AL in any way...
Biology Fees $8 per credit hour
Clinical Laboratory Fees $8 per credit hour
Fine Arts Fees $8 per credit hour
Physical Science/Chemistry Fees $8 per credit hour
Speech & Hearing Fees $8 per credit hour
Hybrid Course Fee $20 per credit hour
Online Course Fee $40 per credit hour
Administrative Service Fee3 $35 per term
Student Activity Fee3 $170 per term
Student Health Fee3 $25 per term
Technology Fee $10 per credit hour
Athletic Fee $7 per credit hour
First-Time Student Orientation Fee $125 one time non-refundable fee
University Affiliation Fee4 $135
These are all on top of tuition and not regulated by the State of AL in any way...
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:02 pm to 4cubbies
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Did those go away?
No.
They nickel and dime you but it's not that expensive (but I guess it's all relative).
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:57 pm to 4cubbies
At least they aren't trying to make it "free".
That would make a degree go from semi-worthless to totally worthless.
That would make a degree go from semi-worthless to totally worthless.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 3:09 pm to The Maj
I paid $25 per lab for Chemistry(all) and Biology(uppers).
Plus deposits to cover breakage.
Early 90's at a Louisiana State University.
Plus deposits to cover breakage.
Early 90's at a Louisiana State University.
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