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re: Cohen: The payment was delayed in election interference trial, it only matter if Trump won
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:05 pm to memphisplaya
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:05 pm to memphisplaya
Who honestly gives a frick.
Honestly, had Biden done the same thing I truly wouldn’t give a shite.
Far more important things at hand than trump allegedly paying a one night stand to stay quiet.
frick!
Honestly, had Biden done the same thing I truly wouldn’t give a shite.
Far more important things at hand than trump allegedly paying a one night stand to stay quiet.
frick!
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:11 pm to RaoulDuke504
Hopefully Trump's lawyers pick up on the fact this blows the whole case. If Trump said to delay the payment until after the election then it's not election interference.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:45 pm to Wildcat1996
Exactly. Judge will probably exclude the testimony.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:47 pm to The Boat
Of course the whole case is bullshite on many levels.
However, this testimony is considered damaging to Trump because his lawyers are arguing the payoff was only to prevent personal embarrassment, not to influence the election.
However, this testimony is considered damaging to Trump because his lawyers are arguing the payoff was only to prevent personal embarrassment, not to influence the election.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:49 pm to memphisplaya
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Most likely scenario: Cohen pays Daniels to make the story go away and bills Trump for legal fees and processing without ever speaking to Trump about the details.
Or Cohen has affair with Daniels and uses Trumps money to pay her off.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:50 pm to alphaandomega
Cohen used his money to pay her off.
Question is whether he was allowed to charge that off as “legal expenses”. But Trump wasn’t the one doing that if he was sending them a bill claiming as such.
Question is whether he was allowed to charge that off as “legal expenses”. But Trump wasn’t the one doing that if he was sending them a bill claiming as such.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:50 pm to The Boat
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Hopefully Trump's lawyers pick up on the fact this blows the whole case. If Trump said to delay the payment until after the election then it's not election interference.
I don't think many people understand the case, including a lot of the talking heads. The campaign finance violation part is NOT on trial. That is only a procedural mechanism that allows Bragg to pursue the crime that Trump is on trial for--falsification of business records.
The prosecution has to prove that Trump falsified business records. Assume it is all true. Cohen paid Stormy. Cohen submitted invoices to Trump. Trump paid the invoices. And, the Trump Organization booked those payments as "legal expenses."
What is false about that? And, so far, I haven't seen any evidence that really hurts Trump on that supposed crime. The only evidence I've seen on that point that seems important is the following:
Trump’s lawyer Emil Bove got former Trump Organization Controller, McConney, to concede he had never spoken with Trump about repayments to Cohen, and had never been directed to register the payments in a certain way, or improperly.
Bove suggested there was no falsification, in part because of the narrow way Trump Organization payments had to be recorded using the drop-down menu of an “antiquated” software recording system.
Additionally, McConney conceded, Cohen was Trump’s personal lawyer, and that he always recorded payments to lawyers as “legal expenses” in the ledger during his 36-plus years with the company.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:51 pm to Ex-Popcorn
No one cares - Biden is so bad that Trump could literally do anything and I'd still vote for him.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:54 pm to alphaandomega
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Or Cohen has affair with Daniels and uses Trumps money to pay her off.
This thought has crossed my mind as well.
I presume that Trump is lying about sleeping with her. However, she's been paid to sleep with countless men, perhaps Cohen as well. And if she was willing to extort Trump, there is no reason she would be above doing the same to Cohen.
And if Cohen has testified that Trump didn't want her paid, what in the world would motivate him to borrow money against his own home to pay her despite Trump's wishes?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:55 pm to Ex-Popcorn
You seem to understand it less than anyone…
They weren’t legal expenses dude. The misdemeanor is a slam dunk (but too old to bring.)
The only question is the furtherance of an additional crime.
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What is false about that?
They weren’t legal expenses dude. The misdemeanor is a slam dunk (but too old to bring.)
The only question is the furtherance of an additional crime.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 3:57 pm to RaoulDuke504
Melania was a mistress for trump who created the divorce between he and Marla maples.
How does she have any right to be upset about trump having sex with a porn star?
How does she have any right to be upset about trump having sex with a porn star?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:00 pm to holdem Tiger
A make believe crime without s record.
Got it.
Got it.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:07 pm to Nurbis
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Ultimately, she was paid before the election against Trump's wishes.
Sounds like Cohen is the one guilty of election interference by paying her before the election against Trump’s instructions.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:08 pm to The Boat
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Hopefully Trump's lawyers pick up on the fact this blows the whole case. If Trump said to delay the payment until after the election then it's not election interference.
Please explain.
Payment or no payment, the agreement was entered into prior to the election = election interference.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:09 pm to Nikki_T
Cohen now says Trump didn’t actually pay him back
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:11 pm to ForeverGator
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Please explain. Payment or no payment, the agreement was entered into prior to the election = election interference.
They are trying to prove it was for the election and Trump team is trying to prove it was personal. If it was for the election you would want to shut someone up before people voted not after. Also why would you pay someone to keep quiet if you already won and it would no longer effect the election unless it was because you didn’t want your wife to find out
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:11 pm to bluedragon
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A make believe crime
Undoubtedly. Also the whole statute is unconstitutional in NY because it does not enumerate the additional crimes as their constitution specifically requires.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:14 pm to alphaandomega
Sounds like MC went rogue. He paid Stormy because it demonstrated his loyalty to Trump. His goal was to be the President's legal advisor and sell influence. He wanted to do what Hunter did in many ways.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:15 pm to ErikGordan
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He wanted to do what Hunter did in many ways.
Hookers and blow?
Posted on 5/13/24 at 4:16 pm to The Boat
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Hopefully Trump's lawyers pick up on the fact this blows the whole case. If Trump said to delay the payment until after the election then it's not election interference
Unfortunately, Trumps defense has been none of this happened, it's all a lie, never slept with Stormy, never paid any money to her. Cohen is a liar, none of this happened, he committed perjury you can't trust anything he says.
With that defense, I think they boxed themsleves with how effectively they can refute the charges. "Everybody is lying about me" is a tough sell. I think it would have been a little bit more of a straightforward route of defense to sell the jury on the payment was a personal matter not meant to influence the campaign, Cohen handles it on his own as a legal matter and was reimbursed.
But they're sticking with no payment ever happened. So they can't use Cohen and say see it was put off to after the election.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 4:18 pm
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