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re: Is anyone else not pushing their kids to attend college?
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:02 am to Dragula
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:02 am to Dragula
My son has two buddies going to trade school out of high school.
My boy dies t just love school. He had mentioned it. I told him that yes it was a good idea for the first 10 years but at 45 he prob didn’t want to be working by the hour.
Asked him to consider a business mgmt degree, then trade school then get 5-6 years experience and open his own business. Or just go grab a construction mgmt degree and work up from there
My boy dies t just love school. He had mentioned it. I told him that yes it was a good idea for the first 10 years but at 45 he prob didn’t want to be working by the hour.
Asked him to consider a business mgmt degree, then trade school then get 5-6 years experience and open his own business. Or just go grab a construction mgmt degree and work up from there
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:10 am to thedogman
Times sure have changed. When I was 25 everyone was talking about where they went to college and I was looked down on when I said I didn't go.
I especially got looked down on for selling insurance. I got zero respect from people my age.
Now I'm 55 and have an scorp. It takes time to build income but as my peers are losing jobs and trying to restart, I'm making 15% more per year and I'm not killing myself..
So don't push your kids into something just because it was status quo.
I especially got looked down on for selling insurance. I got zero respect from people my age.
Now I'm 55 and have an scorp. It takes time to build income but as my peers are losing jobs and trying to restart, I'm making 15% more per year and I'm not killing myself..
So don't push your kids into something just because it was status quo.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:11 am to thedogman
tell him to get ready for barber college
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:11 am to thedogman
If he doesn't go to college but picks up a trade thats fine. Or if he starts a business thats fine too. But skipping college without a plan on how he will afford living is a recipe for disaster imo.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:15 am to thedogman
I am going to encourage both of my kids to do other things besides college. It is getting to expensive to justify when you can go to a trade school and become an electrician, or HVAC specialist and make tons of money right out the gate. I wish I would have done this rather than four years of college.
I have a sister who is 37 (no pics) still paying on college loans. I would never want that for my kids.
I have a sister who is 37 (no pics) still paying on college loans. I would never want that for my kids.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:15 am to chinhoyang
quote:I laughed but I bet Akexandria would support a great male owned old school one or two chair barber shop. A place to talk sports, have a cold beer…. We don’t have anything like that
tell him to get ready for barber college
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:17 am to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:I agree here. No one wants to plunging terds at 50.
he doesn't go to college but picks up a trade thats fine. Or if he starts a business thats fine too. But skipping college without a plan on how he will afford living is a recipe for disaster imo.
On the other hand I don’t see technology eliminating service folks in the trades
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:18 am to Jon A thon
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Several things are clearly evident. Those with degrees, even when they have nothing to do with the job, seem to move up to the high paying gig much faster. Those with degrees have opportunities to move to the "white collar" side of the company making similar money with less time investment. Those with specialized degrees (engineering, etc.) will be making that same income in a 10 year time frame with 1,000 times better work life balance.
This is pretty spot on. I’ve seen it throughout my career in the oilfield.
Sure, college isn’t for everyone and it’s a huge investment. But just about any kid who is smart enough and has the work ethic to get a degree in a high paying field, is going to have more freedom to choose what they want to do later on in life.
I see plenty of guys that make great money, but they’re never home, and they don’t have the option to change their career to anything that will pay near as much.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:19 am to thedogman
Mine is going despite not knowing what he wants to do. We are pushing it for several reasons. First, he’s an only child and has grown up in an area that’s a bubble from the real world. He needs the experience of living on his own and being responsible for himself before he’s thrown into the real world. Second, he has a 4.5 gpa and has worked hard throughout school to earn it. He’s capable of doing college work and it likely wouldn’t be very difficult for him. Lastly, he wants to be a body builder. That’s great and we support him but having a business degree and/or sports PT under his belt to fall back on wouldn’t be horrible.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:25 am to bbarras85
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HVAC specialist and make tons of money right out the gate.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:27 am to bbarras85
quote:Read the earlier posts from those with experience that disabuse this notion.
go to a trade school and become an electrician, or HVAC specialist and make tons of money right out the gate.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:28 am to tigerfoot
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I laughed but I bet Akexandria would support a great male owned old school one or two chair barber shop. A place to talk sports, have a cold beer…. We don’t have anything like that
We have a local barber shop similar, but the barber does 90% of the talking and it is almost always about fishing or his wife's cats.
There is no beer.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:30 am to bbarras85
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I have a sister who is 37 (no pics) still paying on college loans. I would never want that for my kids.
All depends on how much she makes post graduation.
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It is getting to expensive to justify when you can go to a trade school and become an electrician, or HVAC specialist and make tons of money right out the gate
What about PTO and vacations? Quality of life? Ability to work from home or remotely? Retirement packages and 401K matches? Health insurance options that includes things like free or discounted gym memberships? HSA's? Working in the A/C? What about long term vertical growth? Abilty to work with the same company but move to a different state or country?
"tons of money right out of the gate" is a HORRIBLE reason to make a career choice.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:33 am to LSUfan4444
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"tons of money right out of the gate" is a HORRIBLE reason to make a career choice.
Especially when it’s not actually “tons of money.”
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:35 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
None of our guys consistently work over 40 hours a week. Sometimes shite happens and you have to pull some OT if we are behind or are doing a favor for the GC. But that's very rare.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:37 am to BrianFantana
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Everyone in this thread bitching about the trades continually uses residential construction analogies to make their point. I will not push my kids into trades within service or residential construction but the money within commercial construction is there and will continue to grow. Most commercial subcontractors will pay and train you to get licensed.. our supers arent working foreman and make good money 70-125k depending on experience and time they've been with us. We've brought in two supers to be PM's in the past couple of years from the field but most of our guys want to stay in the field because the headache of management outweighs them supervising in the elements because they really dont do a whole lot besides layout.
cool...and how many jobs do you think are like that out there? how many dont require you to move all over the place?
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:38 am to LSUGrrrl
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Mine is going despite not knowing what he wants to do. We are pushing it for several reasons. First, he’s an only child and has grown up in an area that’s a bubble from the real world. He needs the experience of living on his own and being responsible for himself before he’s thrown into the real world. Second, he has a 4.5 gpa and has worked hard throughout school to earn it. He’s capable of doing college work and it likely wouldn’t be very difficult for him. Lastly, he wants to be a body builder. That’s great and we support him but having a business degree and/or sports PT under his belt to fall back on wouldn’t be horrible.
Sounds like he should focus on nutrition/kinesiology if he's going to college. College is A LOT easier if you are interested in the material you are studying.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:39 am to bbarras85
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I am going to encourage both of my kids to do other things besides college. It is getting to expensive to justify when you can go to a trade school and become an electrician, or HVAC specialist and make tons of money right out the gate. I wish I would have done this rather than four years of college.
tons of money?
how much do you think journeyman electrician and HVAC guys make?
tons of money
:rotflmao:Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:42 am to LSUfan4444
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What about PTO and vacations? 2 Weeks as soon as you start and that increases with longer you're with the company.
Quality of life? Such an objective question that only each person can determine for themselves.
Ability to work from home or remotely? You obviously can't do that if you're required to be in the field. But you get a gas card, plus company truck or a truck allowance.
Retirement packages and 401K matches? Fidelity up to 5% match.
Health insurance options that includes things like free or discounted gym memberships? Yep.
HSA's? Yep.
Working in the A/C? Nope but our foreman aren't working foreman so they just literally supervise.
What about long term vertical growth? Yep. Will pay for you to be trained to get your license and our first look for PM's or estimating starts with field personnel.
Abilty to work with the same company but move to a different state or country? You can't with our company but you can with a lot of national/regional subcontractors.
"tons of money right out of the gate" is a HORRIBLE reason to make a career choice.
Commercial Construction Subcontractor here. Just sharing that commercial is better than Residential if you're not an owner in residential.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:42 am to LSUGrrrl
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Mine is going despite not knowing what he wants to do. We are pushing it for several reasons. First, he’s an only child and has grown up in an area that’s a bubble from the real world. He needs the experience of living on his own and being responsible for himself before he’s thrown into the real world. Second, he has a 4.5 gpa and has worked hard throughout school to earn it. He’s capable of doing college work and it likely wouldn’t be very difficult for him. Lastly, he wants to be a body builder. That’s great and we support him but having a business degree and/or sports PT under his belt to fall back on wouldn’t be horrible.
if he likes health and human performance, tell him to go for Kins and then go PT school and get certifications for S&C and Bodybuilding in between
highly recommend Joe Defranco & Jim Smiths CPPS courses and then also this LINK
along with his cscs.
if he does those things and gets his PT he will be way ahead of 99% of people.
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