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re: Who’s in the wrong? Police cruiser vs. ATV
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:48 pm to CleverUserName
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:48 pm to CleverUserName
how about go fricking google the law for that area, instead of taking the lame arse cop out of "I keep asking the same shite repeatedly" like it is a fricking gotcha - it isn't.
if you were truly interested int he "law" you would look it up and come educate the rest of us.
if you were truly interested int he "law" you would look it up and come educate the rest of us.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:50 pm to VetteGuy
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Those chases were unnecessary,
The classic Soy Milk tree hugger response. FAFO. The shoplifter is now also responsible negligent homicide. THEIR initial poor choices led to unfortunate circumstances
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:50 pm to 0x15E
Anyone who thinks the cops are wrong here are insane to me. There were kids on that path, dude couldn't even avoid a goddamn SUV. He was basically a football field away, he had to have been flying out of control to not be able to stop.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:52 pm to VetteGuy
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How ya been, Festus?
Vette,
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:53 pm to CleverUserName
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Where is the line **the law.. the legal standing** between using potential deadly force on a misdemeanor and no?
Blocking a lane is not “deadly force.”
You’re still acting like the cop rammed him or something and you’re just wrong. The cop could have been parked with his lights on eating a sandwich and the outcome would have been the same.
Watch the video again. You can barely even see the ATV when the cop starts pulling into the left lane. That’s how far away he was. There’s no way to tell that the guy is going 60+ mph at that point.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:53 pm to CleverUserName
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The whole board is apparently now saying there are two sets of laws for the public and police officers. There isn’t.
fricking tell us what law applies to the cop when trying to save children from your boy with his parked fricking car.
We will wait.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:55 pm to CleverUserName
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The whole board is apparently now saying there are two sets of laws for the public and police officers. There isn’t.
I guess, then, they can't ever engage in a high speed chase, even when chasing a murderer on the run. Why, they'd be exceeding the speed limit. Must abide by the same law I do!
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:57 pm to CleverUserName
quote:First, generally stated: a person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another
I have just one question that I ultimately wanted answered before the back and forth.
Where is the line **the law.. the legal standing** between using potential deadly force on a misdemeanor and no?
We can’t do it on simple DUI arrests without another injury. Even with kids present. Was the DUI a danger to pedestrians? Probably imminently?
We can’t on traffic violations.
Many people called Derek Chauvin justified. And I’m about to blow your mind here… I didn’t see imprisoning as necessary at all there with the circumstances at hand. But by people’s point here… he was a cop… he could do it. Well.. he’s in prison. The legal system went another way.
Someone just tell me the line and you have answered my question in this entire thread.
Second, the police officer did not use deadly force. The police officer put his car between the ATV driver and the cyclists and pedestrians. The police officer formed a roadblock.
The ATV driver had sufficient distance to stop before hitting the police vehicle. The ATV driver should have been able to stop or avoid colliding with the police vehicle within that distance. Instead, the ATV driver does not appear to have reduced his speed significantly before running into the police vehicle. He hits the police vehicle at a dangerous speed.
If a driver decides to run a roadblock and hits the car forming the roadblock, that is not police use of deadly force. That's suicide.
Third, there's nothing to suggest that the police officer was trying to apprehend or arrest the ATV driver. He left space for the ATV driver to go around him. The police officer was merely trying to protect cyclists and pedestrians. Given the exigencies of the situation and the initial distance between the ATV driver and the police vehicle, the police officer made a reasonable decision to place his vehicle between the ATV driver and the cyclists and pedestrians.
Again, there was sufficient room for the ATV driver to stop before hitting the police vehicle. The police officer did NOT plow into the ATV driver.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 1:59 pm to CleverUserName
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The whole board is apparently now saying there are two sets of laws for the public and police officers. There isn’t.
Do you seriously believe that there are not some different laws for on duty law enforcement?
Here is just one example: is there any circumstance where it is lawful for you to throw out a spike strip in the road? Because believe it or not, there are circumstances where it is legal for on duty law enforcement to do so.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:00 pm to Salviati
If the atv driver was adhering to a residential speed limit he would have been able to stop, take his ticket and avoid the hospital.
That wasn’t his choice though.
The cop deserves a medal.
That wasn’t his choice though.
The cop deserves a medal.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:05 pm to Festus
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I guess, then, they can't ever engage in a high speed chase, even when chasing a murderer on the run. Why, they'd be exceeding the speed limit. Must abide by the same law I do!
Not what I said at all. They are certainly allowed to chase a felon who has committed another felony.
But per your speed limit scenario, they should not be speeding in routine patrol. Correct?
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:08 pm to CleverUserName
Chauvin was railroaded and sacrificed to the BLM gods.
But he wasn’t putting his vehicle in between a speeding vehicle and kids.
What a stupid comparison
Found the law yet? Guess what. You won’t.
But he wasn’t putting his vehicle in between a speeding vehicle and kids.
What a stupid comparison
Found the law yet? Guess what. You won’t.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:12 pm to CleverUserName
take a lap scooter - you're done. all you are doing is making yourself more of a mockery than you were. if I were you, i'd consider 86'ing this user name and making an alter and starting over.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:14 pm to jchamil
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Here is just one example: is there any circumstance where it is lawful for you to throw out a spike strip in the road? Because believe it or not, there are circumstances where it is legal for on duty law enforcement to do so.
And I keep saying they are certainly justified since the perp is fleeing and has racked up multiple felonies.
But what they cannot do is radio ahead and have a guy throw spike strips out just because he was on radar a mile back and the cop is still on the shoulder.
And again to the “it looks evident to me” folks. I thought Chauvin was innocent of murder too. Just incompetent. We see how that turned out.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:14 pm to CleverUserName
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Not what I said at all. They are certainly allowed to chase a felon who has committed another felony.
It IS what you said. You literally said there is no different set of laws for law enforcement.
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But per your speed limit scenario, they should not be speeding in routine patrol. Correct?
My speed limit scenario specifically incorporated a high speed chase. Why do you want me to address MY scenario, when my scenario said nothing about "routine patrol"?
Do you not understand how all over the place you are, in desperation to try to die on this crazy hill, instead of just acknowledging that you're trying to compare apples and oranges.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:15 pm to Thracken13
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i'd consider 86'ing this user name and making an alter and starting over.
at people thinking I give a damn what they think.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:27 pm to roadGator
I'm sorry, guys....I gotta know...hey CleverUserName - what do you think about this?
Trooper Stops "Alleged" Drunk Driver - YT
Same Trooper is Awarded
Trooper Stops "Alleged" Drunk Driver - YT
Same Trooper is Awarded
Posted on 5/3/24 at 2:34 pm to TD422
and she deserved all the awards she could get - that is a text book hero.
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