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re: Is Civil War any good?

Posted on 4/25/24 at 3:15 pm to
Posted by TheOtherSide
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 3:15 pm to
I liked the movie. See it! We spend more money on an order of fries than the cost of a ticket and the time spent on here could have spent watching the movie and deciding for yourself what you think the movie was about.

Please excuse my random unfocused comments below and do not read them if you cannot live with my dumpster fire of disorganize thought. I have been writing like a second grader since 1st or 2nd grader. You will not find a conclusion that relates to the non-existent introduction.

Introduction…

Regarding the movie. It appears that Texas and California individually have succeeded from the Union and either form individual counties or City States.

See the following map with a legend at the bottom: Map

The divided states are indicated on the map in color:
Blue - Loyalist states (United States) from the northeast down to South Carolina, across the central band of states over to the border of California. It also includes Alaska and Hawaii. See the map.
Green - Western Forces. Texas and California.
Red - Florida Alliance. From Florida over to the Louisiana/Texas border.
Yellow - New People's Army. The northwest.

I am assuming that president of the U.S.A. wanted to force Texas and California back in line. With that action the two former states formed the Wester Forces under the banner of a US style flag with multiple red and white stipes and a blue field with two stars.

In real life I believe the two-star flag will probably become a big seller if made available for sale, symbolizing a belief in state rights through individual republics. 10th amendment.

The journalists serve as the eyes of the story. Early in the movie they are in New York but want to travel to Washington D.C. to photograph and interview the president. The comment made while discussing going to see the president is that they will be put to death if they go to the D.C. I think by the Loyalists military, secret service or whatever group is in charge.

I have read reviews on IMDB that state that the big bad president represents Trump. Once again, I say to look at the map. The Union states are indicated on the map in blue. Not that Trump is not from New York.

Just my observation of the movie regarding the forces that are fighting the U.S. forces. All the trained military type of personal do an amazing job of respecting and protecting the main four press character in the movie. They created shields many times, pull them back to safety, etc. It was impressive. I realize that their presence complicates movements and safety for the soldiers. Once again, impressive!

Note that the press characters are only reporting, not siding with anyone. Of the four main characters, only two survive.

The male reporter’s reason for going was for a quote from the president. His comment regarding the president’s quote says that he held an opinion or attitude about the president, and I thought that quote and reaction from the reporter was…perfect.

I thought that the young character who wanted to join the original group of three reporters served well in the representation of her ignorance and naivete of what the reality of blatant destruction and death in warfare was. Very young for the position or action she wanted to be in. She also was not a carded member of the press, but I have never seen a credential required in our constitution. Later she got a rush being in the middle of the center of battle. She was also protected by the military personal and the three other press members. She was yanked out of the line of fire multiple times.

My biggest tangent is below, but it has in the past few decades been the biggest cause of issues or disagreements between individuals, states, and the federal government. If something is not a federal power established by the constitution, then each state or individual have been constitutionally empowered. Also note the first word in the first amendment, Congress, has a comma in it. Besides changes caused by the U.S. Supreme Court rulings, the first amendment as written left a lot of power regarding speech and religion to the states. I am not sure what I believe regarding that. Some of the boundaries probably helped. If by the first amendment there is a separation of church and state, is the not a separation of press and state?

Tenth Amendment
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The four last words of the Tenth Amendment, “or to the people.” still leads me to believe that there is some source of power that the people have other town halls and voting.

Conclusion…See the last sentence of the second paragraph. And go see the movie!



Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60527 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 3:22 pm to
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Audiences seem to be divided.

Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49336 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 3:33 pm to
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by the first amendment there is a separation of church and state, is the not a separation of press and state?

Not to get into a whole thing here, but church and state comes from the establishment clause which pertains to religion and its role or I guess lack of one in the government.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
7362 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 4:16 pm to
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Its a left wing larp and a view on america from the eyes of a British liberal.


The journalists will save us.


You still havent seen it yet have you....There is no left wing or right wing...its just chaos...and the journalist arent heroes...
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 5:44 pm to
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In real life I believe the two-star flag will probably become a big seller if made available for sale, symbolizing a belief in state rights through individual republics. 10th amendment.


You might be on to something.
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
7208 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 8:09 am to
Watched it last night. It was an entertaining movie in a kind of "Escape From New York" or Walking Dead kind of way. Kept waiting for "Snake" Plissken to come save the day in DC, but alas, the forces of good prevailed over anarchy. DC FAFO with California. Strange Alliance with Texas? Florida Men never represented.

Seriously.. Rotten Tomato gave it 81%. Guess you'd have to like absurd plot lines like this and lots of action. There is no back story about what the war is about, just driving around looking at people getting blown up and shot. Very violent and gory at times. In some scenes it definitely catches you off guard.

Favorite scene was "Sammy" mowing down the backwoods militants who's goal seems to be singularly purifying America.

Good review.

Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 8:12 am to
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Favorite scene was "Sammy" mowing down the backwoods militants who's goal seems to be singularly purifying America.


I read that the actor scheduled to play the “white nationalist” backed out last minute and Kirsten called her husband (Plemons) to step in. What a boon for the director. That scene was the most tense of the movie in my opinion.
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
7208 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 8:51 am to
"What Kind Of American Are You"? Ruh Oh. Intense scene.

Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26624 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:34 am to
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World War Z (the. Brooks novel, not the awful film)

I still don't understand how they screwed that up so badly. It shouldn't have even been called World War Z with how far it differed from the book.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:47 am to
Trigger finger discipline: on/OFF.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
11714 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:53 am to
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I still don't understand how they screwed that up so badly. It shouldn't have even been called World War Z with how far it differed from the book.


By casting Brad Pitt. He rarely agrees to only be in a part of a movie. That’s why they had to keep Achilles alive to the end when he should have died in the middle of Troy.

WWZ would have been best adapted as a limited series like HBO’s Chernobyl.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 9:54 am
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
7208 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 12:14 pm to
Plemmon's role was subtly the most powerful in the whole movie.

Plemmon's Role

Jesse Plemons' compelling Civil War performance serves as the perfect reminder of his forgotten role in a show with an impressive 96% score on Rotten Tomatoes.

Movie Trailer / 1:23

YouTube Short On Reasons

All in all, I really enjoyed it.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49336 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:17 pm to
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good prevailed over anarchy.

Eh good is reaching there to be fair, there’s a comment made earlier that as soon as the WF takes DC they’ll turn on each other. Obviously the president is objectively the worst but there really isn’t a right side when it comes to which rebel forces to trust

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Florida Men never represented.

It’s confirmed that the dudes in Hawaiian shirts were part of the Florida Alliance
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Rotten Tomato gave it 81%

It’s pretty amazing how many people still don’t know the RT simply takes all the reviews and averages them out
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no back story about what the war is about

Wasn’t supposed to be it’s about what a civil war in America would look like.
This post was edited on 5/7/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27960 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 1:53 pm to
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journalist-hero propaganda
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
7208 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 2:40 pm to
Didn’t know the Hawaiian shirt dudes were from Florida. Thought it was California. Thanks.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 3:55 pm to
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Wasn’t supposed to be it’s about what a civil war in America would look like.


Personally speaking, I believe it would be much worse (assuming real life scenario) than the movie depicted.
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
1408 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 5:22 pm to
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It’s actually not bad. 6.5 out of 10? Maybe a 7

C- to D?
Not in my house young lady.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21125 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:04 pm to
It’s pretty good. It’s seen through the eyes of journalists, but I don’t know why that’s a problem.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
11714 posts
Posted on 5/7/24 at 6:16 pm to
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It’s pretty good. It’s seen through the eyes of journalists, but I don’t know why that’s a problem.


It’s only a problem for those that have seen the movie through the eyes of YouTubers
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