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re: What amazes me about the abortion issue....
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:23 pm to RFK
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:23 pm to RFK
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Let’s say tomorrow politicians pass a bill that prohibits men from getting vasectomies. Is that different?
Yes. Keyword = conception. I don't think there is anyone here arguing against a woman removing her ovaries, preconception. In fact, i'd much prefer any woman who wants an abortion, to instead get sterilized.
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What about a law that requires pregnant women to get COVID shots for the health of the baby?
I am against any law mandating humans get injected with a covid vaccine.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:26 pm to 4cubbies
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I don’t support any laws.
SO you want to live in a society dominated by criminals and predators? This makes sense given your appeal to clemency for murderers and rapists.
You do realize, in a society with no laws, you are the first victim in most cases?
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Laws don’t prevent crime,
They do, to law abiding people. To those less moral, the penalties to break laws serve as a healthy deterrant, but is not 100%.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:26 pm to Padme
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I have a pretty good track record, 6 for six.
I don’t know what this means.
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The doctine behind ‘turn the other cheek’ is simply a call to forgone revenge
What is capital punishment if not revenge?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:28 pm to 4cubbies
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What is capital punishment if not revenge?
Ummm... punishment? The only punishment that fits many crimes.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:30 pm to 4cubbies
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I don’t know what this means.
He has 6 children.
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What is capital punishment if not revenge?
Punishment. Thus the last word.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:30 pm to BugAC
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SO you want to live in a society dominated by criminals and predators? T
This is an emotional response that makes no sense. I never indicated that.
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You do realize, in a society with no laws, you are the first victim in most cases?
You don’t realize that most people don’t act immorally because they aren’t immoral. Maybe the fear of jail time is the only reason you don’t commit more crime, but that isn’t true for most people.
quote:, following laws has nothing to do with morality. It’s fear based. You said so yourself. The only reason you act in accordance with laws is because laws exist, otherwise you’d be deranged.
They do, to law abiding people. To those less moral
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:31 pm to BugAC
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Punishment. Thus the last word.
Punishment is revenge.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:35 pm to BugAC
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This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:36 pm to BugAC
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What is capital punishment if not revenge?
Punishment. Thus the last word.
ISWYDT
There's a clip on YT of some purple haired thing arguing with Ben Shapiro about girls being allowed into the Boy Scouts...she says to Ben, "Show me where it's written that the Boy Scouts is only for boys." Ben's reply: "In the name."
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:37 pm to 4cubbies
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Punishment is revenge.
No, it actually isn't. Punishment is... punishment. You did something wrong, you must be punished for it. Not... you did something wrong and now I must get revenge on you for doing something wrong.
When you were a kid and did something wrong... did your parents punish you for doing wrong or take revenge against you for doing wrong?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:37 pm to 4cubbies
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This is an emotional response that makes no sense.
No it isn't. You stated you don't support any laws. Therefore, if there are no laws, the predators will be more prevalent. More victims will exist. Ever wonder why during the "defund the police" phase we went through, violent crime skyrocketed? It makes no sense to you because you aren't a smart person.
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You don’t realize that most people don’t act immorally because they aren’t immoral.
Your use of triple negatives makes this a nonsensical sentence. Try again.
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Maybe the fear of jail time is the only reason you don’t commit more crime, but that isn’t true for most people.
Yeah, the guy arguing for protecting innocent children and punishment of criminals is the one committing crimes?
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following laws has nothing to do with morality.
Yes it does. Our laws are based on Judeo-Christian principles. Those principles are for the most part, morality based. That little thing in your heart that tells you if something is good or bad, and your willingness to adhere by it or ignore it is your moral behavior.
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You said so yourself. The only treason you act in accordance with laws is because laws exist, otherwise you’d be deranged.
No, you lack comprehension. I said that those that are less moral (and less intelligent), need the stick as persuasion to not commit crime.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:38 pm to 4cubbies
It’s a protection of the rest of society via deterrent for one thing. The instruction to turn the other cheek wasn’t given for someone that had been been murdered. Slapping is a minor offense compared to murder. You keep trying to act as if everything is equal and there are no distinctions. Even the commonly used argument such as ‘dont look at a woman with lust because it’s an act of committing adultry in your heart’ means God views the two as equivalent, is completely wrong. The very analogy of the two extremes of the sin of lust is a distinction. To act as God doesn’t make distinctions is naive at best, but utter stupidity at worst.?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:41 pm to 4cubbies
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Punishment is revenge.
No it is not. It is punishment.
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Punishment - A penalty imposed for wrongdoing.
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revenge /ri-venj'/
transitive verb
To inflict punishment in return for (injury or insult).
To seek or take vengeance for (oneself or another person); avenge.
And because you aren't very smart, reread the first definition slowly before you react. IN RETURN FOR
You either don't have children or are a shite parent if you think punishment is revenge. Do you get vengeance against your kids if they do something wrong? Or do you punish them?
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:53 pm to BugAC
a life is a life, you can make all the excuses you want but that statement is true.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Well stable genius, do you think the relatively high abortion rates during the decades mentioned has anything to do with the current “need” to flood the nation with outsourced labor or the relatively low birth rates? Nothing gets by you
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:03 pm to hawkeye007
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an innocent life is an innocent life, you can make all the excuses you want but that statement is true.
FIFY
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:04 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
and declining birth rates are the justification they use to pour millions of unvetted illegals through the southern border
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:07 pm to hawkeye007
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a life is a life, you can make all the excuses you want but that statement is true.
You need to step off of your faux moral high ground.
A woman in her late 40s, matriarch of her close knit family, worked cleaning a building in the financial district of New York. One day, she went into work and never came home. Her coworkers called her family, family went to the building to look for her, police were called. Building was shut down. No trace of her ever leaving the building was found. For 4 days the police combed over that building, reviewing surveillance cameras. They got a hit when they noticed a contractor that worked in the building get off on the same floor the woman was last scene entering. He was interviewed, told to remove his shirt, scratches all over his arms and torso. Police asked where that came from, he said it was helping workers move rebar and materials. Police had no body so had to release him. 8 days later, this poor woman's body was found, stuffed in the air conditioning vent. She could not be identified except for the cross that she wore to work every day and dental records due to decomposition. Police took DNA samples and swaps of fingernails, hair, etc... No sexual assault, no strangulation marks. SHe was hogtied and ductaped, and to a way that it was difficult to breathe, then while alive, shoved in an AC vent, and died there, slowly, as her family and police, searched the building, unable to scream, unable to call out, meanwhile hearing her name being called out. The psychopath that killed her gave no explanation other than the police believe since he had a violent history with women, she was wrong time wrong place and told him something that set him off. He was found guilty, smiled at the victims family, unrepentent, unremorseful. He was given 25 years to life, because it was NY.
A young woman has sex with her boyfriend, and gets pregnant. Because she is young and believes that kid would be the reason she can't attend college or do what she wants to do with her life, she aborts the baby. That baby could have grown up to love, and be loved, by all around her. She could have opened her first presents at christmas, gone to her first daddy/daughter dance. Loved on her first puppy. Play soccer with other young kids. Go to school, become a doctor, fall in love, get married and have her own kids.
In short, you believe the murderer is more deserving of clemency, than the child who committed no offense to anyone and is only guilty of being conceived by an irresponsible woman?
Your moral high ground isn't so high anymore, is it?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:09 pm to hawkeye007
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and if conservatives who most claim to be Christians didn't support the death penalty then I actually might listen to them when it comes to abortion.
You've got to be fricked in the head to let what some political faction thinks/says sway you on an issue like abortion.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:13 pm to 4cubbies
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Wait, what? Abortion bans aren’t about legal classifications? Then why criminalize it?
Let's put it another way:
The burden of proof isn't on my to affirm legal protections, or to affirm citizenship. It's for you to prove why they aren't citizens.
And your answer is not, "Because they don't have a document." Because they didn't have a document before and were assumed to be citizens.
For the vast majority of time 1) Babies were humans 2) Those humans were citizens. The country operated like this since it's inception. No one questioned the life in the womb, and no one questioned that that person was a citizen. And all laws that had been crafted aligned with that.
It's only recently that it changed, and only because we wanted the right to kill people. But there's never been good rational proof on that - only very modern relative "muh body my choice," stuff. It's never been about either some legal classification or even science. It's a pure emotional request that has never been proven out.
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