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re: What amazes me about the abortion issue....
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:59 pm to HonoraryCoonass
Posted on 4/10/24 at 12:59 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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Don’t you think you should tell them?
Feel free to teach your kids whatever you want about abortion.
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:00 pm to 4cubbies
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Your persona certainly fits the stereotype.
I won't stop you from expanding on that thought.
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Why would you insult someone for this?
You left off part of my statement. I'll help you out...
"I'm insulting you for being a career student with idiotic views."
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You’re just contrarian. I doubt you could list 3 of my “views.”
No, I don't keep a list. I have a general recall of your responses to me.
Your continued derogatory insistence that I'm an old white dude implies that I'm correct in the assessment that your views are often at odds with mine. Since my views are based in logical reasoning, I can only conclude that your views are idiotic.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:01 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m 100% serious. A fetus is not a citizen of the US and isn’t afforded constitutional protections. Neither are immigrants. Is your position on abortion purely emotional? Or is it grounded in reality?
So, you support the killing of immigrants?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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I won't stop you from expanding on that thought.
You’re cranky.
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I have a general recall of your responses to me.
I don’t recall arguing with you with any sort of frequency or regularity. I do remember you fussing at me for saying that no politicians care about any of us earlier today, though.
quote:i assume that everyone who posts here is an old white dude. It’s not personal.
Your continued derogatory insistence that I'm an old white dude
quote:I guess. I don’t really know what your views are. You’re pretty rude on here though and I don’t like that.
I'm correct in the assessment that your views are often at odds with mine.
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Since my views are based in logical reasoning, I can only conclude that your views are idiotic.
How profound. I have no doubt you believe this.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
and if conservatives who most claim to be Christians didn't support the death penalty then I actually might listen to them when it comes to abortion.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:08 pm to GoAwayImBaitn
What amazed me about the abortion issue is that this is going to be the main fricking event for this entire election. That’s what amazes me
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:09 pm to 4cubbies
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Most of the world refers to them as doctors.
As i recall, there was an astronaut that drove cross country a few years ago, to murder a woman who was cheating with her husband. Is murder a condition of one's professional working title?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:10 pm to hawkeye007
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and if conservatives who most claim to be Christians didn't support the death penalty then I actually might listen to them when it comes to abortion.
You don't see a difference between a convicted murderer and an innocent unborn child?
Those leftists really did a great job of de-humanizing infants with you.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:10 pm to moneyg
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So, you support the killing of immigrants?
I don’t support the killing of anyone.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:13 pm to BugAC
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You don't see a difference between a convicted murderer and an innocent unborn child?
Jesus doesn’t. Christian doctrine calls us to turn the other cheek and forgive.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:15 pm to 4cubbies
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Then explain to me how abortion bans are consistent with being anti-government regulation and pro-personal liberty.
Because the issue of abortion is not REALLY about some legal classification. It's about natural law - meaning the moral sense that is at the basis of reality.
We've turned it into some legal classification BECAUSE of wanting abortion in the first place. This is why the citizenship of fetuses was never even considered a question. Because it was never, until recently, about legal definitions.
You want me to argue on your field of legality and split some hairs over "citizenship" and "pro-personal liberty" as legal concepts and not as moral concepts.
You have a dead end in that argument anyway, because if you want to split hairs that much then:
If we register all fetuses, does mean that you would support a total abortion ban? Is that the only thing standing in your way?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:15 pm to 4cubbies
You’re twisted
You don’t have the ability to interpret scripture properly, yet they allow you to teach little ones lucky enough to escape the womb
You don’t have the ability to interpret scripture properly, yet they allow you to teach little ones lucky enough to escape the womb
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:16 pm to Padme
Teach me then.
I’m sorry you have a problem with someone teaching Christian children to forgive. What do you teach them?
I’m sorry you have a problem with someone teaching Christian children to forgive. What do you teach them?
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:18 pm to 4cubbies
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Jesus doesn’t.
Uhhhh. What?
Jesus does every much see a difference there. At the core level - he sees a redeemable human in both cases.
One has made mistakes and can be redeemed. The other hasn't made any mistakes and also hasn't had to be redeemed. They are different, although both children of God.
You are being far too reductive.
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Christian doctrine calls us to turn the other cheek and forgive.
Jesus does call us to forgive, that's not what that passage is saying however.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:19 pm to 4cubbies
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Jesus doesn’t. Christian doctrine calls us to turn the other cheek and forgive.
Correct. So what's your justification for murdering children?
I always love the "but you Christians are pro-death penalty" because when you cite this, you also ignore your own hilarious hypocrisy.
You are willing to look at a man who rapes, tortures, and murders a child, for example, and want his life spared. But you don't want a child, with her whole future ahead of her, who has not harmed, nor sinned against anyone spared because it might inconvenience a woman who decided she isn't responsible for her actions?
At least with my opinion of the death penalty, one who is an unrepentant killer receives justice for his actions. Where is your justice? What justice does the future daughter receive? Just shite luck for being conceived by some irresponsible woman?
Innocents deserves our protection. Murderers and rapists deserve punishment.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:19 pm to 4cubbies
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You’re cranky.
I'm an a-hole.
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I don’t recall arguing with you with any sort of frequency or regularity. I do remember you fussing at me for saying that no politicians care about any of us earlier today, though.
That's fine. I have a pretty good memory.
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i assume that everyone who posts here is an old white dude. It’s not personal.
K. It's also not my problem.
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I guess. I don’t really know what your views are. You’re pretty rude on here though and I don’t like that.
I don't care.
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How profound. I have no doubt you believe this.
I don't know why you would...
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:20 pm to 4cubbies
I have a pretty good track record, 6 for six.
There is nothing in scripture that promotes someone not defending themselves or the lives of the innocent. The doctine behind ‘turn the other cheek’ is simply a call to forgone revenge, nothing more, you don’t just drop it wherever your emotions feel the need
There is nothing in scripture that promotes someone not defending themselves or the lives of the innocent. The doctine behind ‘turn the other cheek’ is simply a call to forgone revenge, nothing more, you don’t just drop it wherever your emotions feel the need
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:21 pm to BugAC
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Did you tell her that no one cares about her body, it's the body and life of the child inside of her that we don't want exterminated for convenience?
Let’s say tomorrow politicians pass a bill that prohibits men from getting vasectomies. Is that different?
What about a law that requires pregnant women to get COVID shots for the health of the baby?
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:21 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m sorry you have a problem with someone teaching Christian children to forgive.
Yet you don't want them the chance to be taught. You'd rather some irresponsible woman murder that child for convenience than raise that child. You aren't merciful or compassionate, you are an abhorrent monster with equitable lines of thought as genocidal regimes like he Nazi's.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:22 pm to Freauxzen
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Because the issue of abortion is not REALLY about some legal classification.
Wait, what? Abortion bans aren’t about legal classifications? Then why criminalize it?
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If we register all fetuses, does mean that you would support a total abortion ban? Is that the only thing standing in your way?
I don’t support any laws. They are meaningless and are manipulated by the powerful and wealthy at every turn. Laws don’t prevent crime, as evidenced by our country having the highest incarceration rate on the planet.
If Chelsea Clinton or Ivanka Trump (that’s the daughter, right?) wanted an abortion, no abortion ban would prevent either one of them from obtaining one.
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