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re: Getting contacted by work during vacation
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:14 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:14 pm to LNCHBOX
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His managers can deal with him being out. That's why they are managers. Only way any of this burden falls on OP's friend is if he didn't tell any of his managers about his vacation.
You don’t think there’s any scenario where an employee has some obligation to get things in order before going on vacation, as long as their manager knows they’ll be out?
I don’t know about y’all, but personally I don’t copy my manager on every email, fill him in after every phone call, or make sure he knows every single thing I’m doing every day. I bring him in when I need him but other than that I’m pretty autonomous.
As such, when I’m going on vacation I kind of need to fill him in on what I have going on if it needs to get finished while I’m out. I can’t just go “welp, that’s my manager’s problem. He’ll figure it out.” That’s part of the responsibility that comes with autonomy. I don’t want nor do I need to be micromanaged. It’s a two-way street as I said earlier.
I’m not saying that’s necessarily the situation in OP, but you seem to be saying that it’s not even possible for an employee to drop the ball when they leave for vacation. That might be true for some jobs but certainly not all.
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:15 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Now I can frick around a lot but I often have to take calls at all hours, send emails late or early, and occasionally work some very long hours and/or go in on the weekend. I genuinely prefer it this way.
Yep. I’ve worked past midnight and a ton of weekends. I’ve also watched a bunch of movies from my couch on a weds afternoon.
In fact 2023 was the least I’ve worked in at least 15 years. I’m hoping to work more in 2024 as I don’t want to miss budget again. Off to a better start so far
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:16 pm to poochie
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it's his responsibility to let the other person know these are coming, not the boss
Again, your only defense is that his guy flaked out on his job essentially.
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it all boils down to communication. some people don't know how to communicate.
The only people in this scenario we KNOW can't communicate well are the ones bombarding someone on PTO with work shite. Anything else is an assumption.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:16 pm to lostinbr
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You don’t think there’s any scenario where an employee has some obligation to get things in order before going on vacation, as long as their manager knows they’ll be out?
I sure hope some of yall manage better than you read.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:19 pm to LNCHBOX
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Again, your only defense is that his guy flaked out on his job essentially.
Jesus h Christ, it’s what I said in the 5th post of this 14 page god damned thread that I’m still saying now.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:24 pm to Jenious
The only way I, as a manager, would call one of my team members while they were on vacation, would be in the case of an emergency and for some reason, I didn't know something of importance concerning that emergency, and they did.
Which would seem like a failure on my part as manager.
So yeah, I feel like the manager in the OP probably sucks.
Which would seem like a failure on my part as manager.
So yeah, I feel like the manager in the OP probably sucks.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:24 pm to Jenious
When I was self employed I would absolutely answer calls or emails from clients. Now that I am salaried working for a company, I answer no calls or emails if I am on vacation.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:25 pm to poochie
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Jesus h Christ, it’s what I said in the 5th post of this 14 page god damned thread that I’m still saying now.
I was responding to your responses to me. Sorry for not seeing your post on page 5 of a 14 pages thread
Still not really seeing how you absolve management for approving this guy's leave and not being ready to handle a work week without him, but whatever.Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:38 pm to LNCHBOX
the 5th post in the whole thread where i said IF he didn't line things up..........
this poster sums up how i work and how my subordinates work:
we talk as much as needed at a high level then have a weekly high level wrap up. I don't share every single detail with my boss beucse he doesn't need to be burdened with that, only if i need some help. Same with my guys, hey, i'm here if you need me, what can i do to make your job easier, you have my number if you need anything....
now, if one of them is heading out for a week, we talk lower level, and same with my boss if i'm heading out.
if i had things that were going to hit or potentially hit while i'm out and i didn't share with someone and plan for how they were going to be handled, then that's on me for poor planning. My boss did all he needed to and could by discussing things with me but if i left things out, that's on me.
this poster sums up how i work and how my subordinates work:
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I don’t know about y’all, but personally I don’t copy my manager on every email, fill him in after every phone call, or make sure he knows every single thing I’m doing every day. I bring him in when I need him but other than that I’m pretty autonomous.
we talk as much as needed at a high level then have a weekly high level wrap up. I don't share every single detail with my boss beucse he doesn't need to be burdened with that, only if i need some help. Same with my guys, hey, i'm here if you need me, what can i do to make your job easier, you have my number if you need anything....
now, if one of them is heading out for a week, we talk lower level, and same with my boss if i'm heading out.
if i had things that were going to hit or potentially hit while i'm out and i didn't share with someone and plan for how they were going to be handled, then that's on me for poor planning. My boss did all he needed to and could by discussing things with me but if i left things out, that's on me.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:46 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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not everyone is a cog in the wheel in IT or some sort of back office setting
I'm curious as to what some of you do that is so important it must be dealt with by you and only you this exact instant.
You're not as important as you think you are.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:55 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
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I'm curious as to what some of you do that is so important it must be dealt with by you and only you this exact instant.
You're not as important as you think you are.
it's not even that someone is important, it might be that they're simply the gatekeeper for something. Might be something rarely used or never discussed but it's their job that takes a 30 second phone call to move on. Note: this comes from the view of the fast paced oil industry where hours missed costs thousands of dollars and sometimes it can come down to some clerk loading a certification into a person's profile so they can get on a boat and go do something.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 3:59 pm to Jenious
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What's the OT's take on this? Do you answer emails/texts/calls on vacation?
Pretty simple. If you are a leader you take calls and messages on vacation.
If you are just a worker/follower you dont take calls on your off time. Remember that when you wonder why you are still in the same ole shitty job…
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:08 pm to Jenious
The oilfield doesn’t shut down. If you work for a small oil company, you take care of business, period.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:09 pm to poochie
quote:this
Note: this comes from the view of the fast paced oil industry where hours missed costs thousands of dollars and sometimes it can come down to some clerk loading a certification into a person's profile so they can get on a boat and go do something.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:26 pm to poochie
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it's not even that someone is important, it might be that they're simply the gatekeeper for something. Might be something rarely used or never discussed but it's their job that takes a 30 second phone call to move on. Note: this comes from the view of the fast paced oil industry where hours missed costs thousands of dollars and sometimes it can come down to some clerk loading a certification into a person's profile so they can get on a boat and go do something.
If so much money is at stake, why allow the process to be held up completely by one person?
I get that stuff happens, but at least after discovering the issue, this is one of the biggest reasons for cross training.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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I sure hope some of yall manage better than you read.
Ok man.
You said “Only way any of this burden falls on OP's friend is if he didn't tell any of his managers about his vacation.” In my job (not a people manager btw) the responsibility goes a little beyond simply getting PTO approved before rolling out. Maybe that’s not what you meant, which is why I asked. Or maybe your job is different.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 4:59 pm to Jenious
There are virtually zero jobs, employers or employees on the planet that are so important that a vacation absolutely must be interrupted. I realize most people think they are that important or some bosses believe that whatever they're working on is more important than their employees vacation but I've got news for you. Nothing you're doing is really that special.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:11 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
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If so much money is at stake, why allow the process to be held up completely by one person?
You can’t allow it, which is why it’s important that those things get handed off before someone leaves.
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I get that stuff happens, but at least after discovering the issue, this is one of the biggest reasons for cross training.
Not everything can be fixed with cross-training. People can be cross-trained but unless you have actual redundancy built in (which nobody really does) you’ll still run into situations where one person can hold up the business.
Real-world examples I’ve dealt with personally:
- General counsel has inserted himself into a contract negotiation because of certain contentious terms. He goes on vacation in the middle of the negotiation. His subordinates can’t pick up the slack because there might be items they don’t have authority to approve (hence his involvement in the first place) and his manager can’t pick it up because he has no background on the deal. We don’t get two general counsels just so one can take vacation.
- Estimator is working on a bid that’s due next Tuesday but he’s on vacation next week. He says he’s going to get everything finished up Friday before he leaves, but he finishes too late for us to review. When we review Monday we find what appear to be issues or mistakes, but the estimator is already gone on vacation so we are unable to verify. We have other people who can do his job, but in order to properly vet the estimate they would basically have to start from the beginning (and there’s not time to do that).
- Engineer is working on a project for a customer and goes on vacation. We need a key piece of information to keep the project from getting held up, but we don’t know where exactly he saved that information because it’s on his desktop, or in his inbox.
These things can be avoided but it takes some amount of effort from the employee (as well as his/her manager) to make sure the business doesn’t get hung in their absence. Nobody - at least nobody I work with - wants to call anyone while they’re on vacation. But I’ve definitely seen occasions where it had to be done, and unfortunately most of the time it was probably avoidable with a little bit of planning.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:14 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
It’s also laughable that y’all think that everyone works for some huge corporation where there are layers and layers of redundancy. Most times with small companies you are it.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 5:17 pm to poochie
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It’s also laughable that y’all think that everyone works for some huge corporation where there are layers and layers of redundancy. Most times with small companies you are it.
I work for a large company but on a relatively small team. We don't have full redundancy on a lot of things.
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