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re: Biden logic. Putin reelected = dictatorship. Zelensky cancels elections = democracy.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:10 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:10 am to Pettifogger
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So why promote the CTH take, which certainly appears to be representing that Putin's election was legitimate?
I'll just quote the article:
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Vladimir Putin did not arrest moms in playgrounds in Michigan during the COVID hype.
Russian police officers did not arrest paddleboarders off the beach in Malibu.
The FSB didn’t fill skate parks with sand, or shut down restaurants, or destroy the livelihoods of middle America.
It wasn’t the Kremlin police arresting people in New York City for going to restaurants without authorization papers.
It wasn’t the Russian police firing rubber bullets into the crowds in Melbourne, Australia, because the people refused to wear masks.
It wasn’t Moscow who created “bubbles” in New Zealand demanding a person apply for a permit before visiting their elderly parents, or arresting people for going to McDonalds and trying to navigate through police checkpoints and roadblocks.
It wasn’t the armed Russian military who set up involuntary detainment facilities in Australia and then called them quarantine camps- where if you crossed the arbitrary yellow line painted on the porch of your detainment cabin, you would be arrested and thrown into solitary confinement. It was western political leadership called “democratic” premiers and national democratic leaders of the Scott Morrison administration.
It wasn’t the Russian intelligence services who monitored Facebook accounts in Canada and questioned people who dare speak about the concept of liberty or raise concerns about totalitarian dictates.
It wasn’t Vladimir Putin who declared a national emergency in Canada, then arrested his political opposition for protesting in downtown Ottawa. And it certainly was not the Russian government who confiscated the bank accounts of dissident citizens who dared to raise their voices in support of truck drivers. It was Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
It wasn’t Russia who hired state-sponsored hunters to track down unvaccinated citizens in Austria, fine them and confiscate their wages if they did not comply with vaccines.
It wasn’t Vladimir Putin who blocked those citizens from shopping in supermarkets forcing citizens into a black-market just to scrounge for food and essential medicine. It was the government of Austria.
It wasn’t the police in Moscow who set up vaccine checkpoints in Paris and demanded formerly free citizens to show their authorization papers to sit outside at a cafe table.
If Western leaders like Joe Biden think they have some credibility to stand in their G7 assembly and talk about the value of democracy, they would be well served if their handlers mentioned how their insufferable ‘gaslighting’ was now falling on deaf ears.
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To all the leaders of various “western democracies” who will now clutch their pearls as the backlash from the citizens starts to come full circle, you did this to yourself.
No one is to blame other than Biden, Trudeau, Ardern, Morrison, Macron, Johnson et al and the leaders of NATO, all political abusers, who suddenly demand the support of the citizens they abuse in order to fend off their new enemy, Vladimir Putin.
My last point on this Russian election. You might remember when the people of Egypt voted after the NATO alliance and Obama/Clinton group helped install the Muslim Brotherhood (Mohammed Morsi). The USA meddled in the politics of Egypt, removed Hosni Mubarek and installed an Islamic extremist.
The Egyptian people were horrified by what Morsi was doing and begged General al-Sisi to help them.
Much like Vladimir Putin, Egyptian candidate Fattah Abdel al-Sisi won the next election with over 80% of the vote.
The freedom and liberty inversion continues…
…. And it’s strange how few people can see it.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:11 am to TBoy
Zelensky thugs killed an American for saying mean things about Z.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:14 am to GumboPot
If you have faith in Putin’s “re-election”, you’ll believe anything. It’s a sham and a disgrace.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:15 am to GumboPot
They've pulled this same shite in:
Iraq
Libya
Vietnam
Syria
Kuwait
Venezuala
Brazil
And that's the short list.
Iraq
Libya
Vietnam
Syria
Kuwait
Venezuala
Brazil
And that's the short list.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:16 am to VOR
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If you have faith in Putin’s “re-election”, you’ll believe anything.
I don't have faith in Putin's reelection.
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It’s a sham and a disgrace.
Totally agree.
So why do you support Zelensky who doesn't even pretend to have a democratic election?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:16 am to VOR
Is putin's re-election any more questionable than biden's election in 2020?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:17 am to Bunk Moreland
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We meddled there for at least ten years. Imagine if Russia or China had a dozen spy bases on the Mexican border. We would start WWIII over it.
Well that is a bullshite response.
What evidence do you have?
Berlin wall?
Cuba?
Norad?
Submarine placements?
Threats have been real and persistent for decades and there wasn't WWIII.
The dems have obliterated foreign policy for 12 out of the last 16 years.
But you don't have to make shite up to support a point.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:36 am to Screaming Viking
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t-shim, Questioning things is a good start. Now question the other half of the claim…….you can do it.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:40 am to GumboPot
I have no doubt that Putin definitely has some "fail-safes" in place to assure he remains in power.
But, I also have zero doubt that the overwhelming majority of Russians turned out to support him and believe in what he tells them his agenda is.
News keeps showing a few hundred people that turned up setting booths on fire and protesting, but it was pretty clear that the majority people of Russia made their voices heard.
But, I also have zero doubt that the overwhelming majority of Russians turned out to support him and believe in what he tells them his agenda is.
News keeps showing a few hundred people that turned up setting booths on fire and protesting, but it was pretty clear that the majority people of Russia made their voices heard.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:49 am to GumboPot
Ukraine is occupied by an invading force. How in the hell could they have elections?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 10:16 am to Penrod
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Ukraine is occupied by an invading force. How in the hell could they have elections?
Ukraine is occupied by an invading force.
Can you describe what this means?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 10:20 am to GumboPot
"They are not a problem for us if we don't spend your tax dollars there. But we make it a problem for us."
On this point, I think you're wrong because of our interests in maintaining world stability, especially in Europe. But I respect your isolationist viewpoint. What I cannot understand is that out-and-out admiration of Putin that you see in some circles, including on this board.
On this point, I think you're wrong because of our interests in maintaining world stability, especially in Europe. But I respect your isolationist viewpoint. What I cannot understand is that out-and-out admiration of Putin that you see in some circles, including on this board.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 10:24 am to Bunk Moreland
"We meddled there for at least ten years. Imagine if Russia or China had a dozen spy bases on the Mexican border. We would start WWIII over it."
As weak a "whataboutism" as one is likely to find. Putin has not even claimed this as a reason for his brutal invasion. And let's go ahead and play it out. The US clearly has military assets and interests in Poland. Is Putin justified in rolling the tanks there, as well? Lithuania?
As weak a "whataboutism" as one is likely to find. Putin has not even claimed this as a reason for his brutal invasion. And let's go ahead and play it out. The US clearly has military assets and interests in Poland. Is Putin justified in rolling the tanks there, as well? Lithuania?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 10:43 am to GumboPot
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Russia holds transparent elections and Vladimir Putin wins 87% of the vote, resoundingly being reelected;
Ok, Gumbro.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:15 am to doubleb
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Zekensky was elected legitimately.
Most dictators are initially elected and then cancel future elections. That's what Zelensky did. He's a dictator and he had the nerve to call another person a dictator.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:20 am to mwade91383
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The Russian simping around here is absolutley out of control. If you don't 100% reject this statement on its face you are hopeless and beyond reason. There's really no way to sugarcoat it.
Russian Simping.
Remind me who groups of people are waving a foreign flag in support of an aggressor state that is known for human rights abuses? While defacing the White House? Who have “broke into the Capitol”? Who are blocking traffic holding those flags? Who are closing down streets with this flag? All the while people in this foreign state was the aggressor?
Think hard.
Hint: it’s not Russian flags.
Let me help you out:
Yep. The same state at war with the state Schumer is trying to interfere in their electoral process.
But there is zero worry about this….. why?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:22 am to Zach
"Most dictators are initially elected and then cancel future elections."
One man, one vote, one time, eh?
I understand why Zelensky (or any leader) would not want to have elections as his country is attempting to fight off a full scale invasion, but it really does hurt his standing in the West, and by extension, harms Ukraine.
One man, one vote, one time, eh?
I understand why Zelensky (or any leader) would not want to have elections as his country is attempting to fight off a full scale invasion, but it really does hurt his standing in the West, and by extension, harms Ukraine.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:28 am to CleverUserName
What does any of that jibberish you just posted have do with endorsing Russian election propaganda? Does posting that make you feel better about your simping issue?
The things people around here pretend are mutually exclusive….good grief.
The things people around here pretend are mutually exclusive….good grief.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:33 am to mwade91383
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What does any of that jibberish you just posted have do with endorsing Russian election propaganda? Does posting that make you feel better about your simping issue?
The things people around here pretend are mutually exclusive….good grief.
This thread is about Biden.
I understand why some people struggle with that.
He is often difficult to defend.
Especially when it comes to leadership on foreign affairs.
It has nothing to do with Russian propaganda (unless you feel that Biden/Obama are controlled by the Russians. They have shown fealty capitulating to Putin in the past).
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:33 am to GumboPot
none of that has anything to do with what Putin has done to his own people, nor does it have anything to do with the legitimacy of his supposed election
the reflexive instinct to validate Putin in order to criticize Zelensky is dumb
the reflexive instinct to validate Putin in order to criticize Zelensky is dumb
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