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What happened to old school “cigarette boats”
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:39 pm
Not necessarily the cigarette brand but just the old school deep V powerboats that cartels smuggled Coke in.
I was searching ones for sale and it seems almost all brands that manufactured these (cigarette, scarab, donzi, fountain) these days are basically a blend of center console fishing boats and speed boats with several outboards.
Do they not make deep V speedboats with dual big block racing inboard engines and loud through hull exhaust anymore?
I couldn’t hardly find any newer than 2012 for most brands except this one 2020 Donzi
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This upsets me. My wife wants one of these cigarette boats one day but it seems they don’t really manufacture new ones anymore.
Even the donzi I linked doesn’t have the cabin in the bow.
I was searching ones for sale and it seems almost all brands that manufactured these (cigarette, scarab, donzi, fountain) these days are basically a blend of center console fishing boats and speed boats with several outboards.
Do they not make deep V speedboats with dual big block racing inboard engines and loud through hull exhaust anymore?
I couldn’t hardly find any newer than 2012 for most brands except this one 2020 Donzi
LINK
This upsets me. My wife wants one of these cigarette boats one day but it seems they don’t really manufacture new ones anymore.
Even the donzi I linked doesn’t have the cabin in the bow.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 4:43 pm
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:54 pm to deltaland
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What happened to old school “cigarette boats”
bidenomics, nobody got a spare million to buy a raceboat, and a marina slip to keep it at
but seriously, the guy who made them made them for both the cartels and the coast guard border patrol. he just made sure the cartel boats had bigger engines so they were always faster.
he also was a huge drug user and all that money he made on the boats went right up his nose, and that eventually did him in and he got arrested and lost everything.
it was more of a time period where the country was at the time, and its different now, so the cartels moved on to more profitable ways to move drugs, such as submarines and submersible boats
there are companies who still make them. search for "offshore power boats", and you will find them
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:01 pm to keakar
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there are companies who still make them. search for "offshore power boats", and you will find them
All the companies still exist they just make them more like offshore center console fishing boats these days. I like the old school deep V powerboats with I/O racing engines. Poker run boats
I don’t care about the cartels use for them I’m just a catfish farmer. I just think they’re cool and sucks they changed the design. But not surprising, I bought a 25 ft “beginner” power boat in 2018 and the dealer told me they were surprised I ordered it because all the younger generation didn’t like inboards and preferred outboards due to easy maintenance
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:25 pm to deltaland
Folks figured out Cat boats ride so much better, Big Offshore Cats are all the rage if you got the scratch to afford them.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 5:37 pm to TxWadingFool
MTI is one of the leaders in that market as well. I remember a thread on here a year or so back of some baw splitting his on a pine.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:04 pm to deltaland
Supposedly they are going the way of the V8 truck, the engines that defined them are being phased out. That plus 40ft jetskis with a toilet arent going to fly off the lot, so a lot of companies have either gone broke or bowed out. The target market either races them as a career or is borderline retarded but rich (no offense). Offshore boats can be written off as business entertainment a lot easier than a go-fast boat, for which the sole purpose is to pull river skanks (no offense to your wife) and send it.
There’s going to be places that will make you one if you dig, they just aren’t popular enough to be mass produced anymore. Hang around Tickfaw on any weekend from April to November and you’ll find one for sale.
There’s going to be places that will make you one if you dig, they just aren’t popular enough to be mass produced anymore. Hang around Tickfaw on any weekend from April to November and you’ll find one for sale.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 6:52 pm to deltaland
Everybody is going with the new center consoles and outboards. They are way more practical and easier to dock and operate.
there are still plenty old school type boats around. Just out of fashion . People who buy those type boats Like to keep up with the latest trendy boat.
there are still plenty old school type boats around. Just out of fashion . People who buy those type boats Like to keep up with the latest trendy boat.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:00 pm to deltaland
They're still around, just not really popular around here. Mine only has a single engine, 496 Mag H.O. Love the big block boats, but my next boat will be a 30ft+ CC with twin outboards
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:37 pm to onelochevy
buying that boat must have depleted your dock electrical budget 
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:38 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Hang around Tickfaw on any weekend from April to November and you’ll find one for sale.
The Tickfaw 200 is the first Saturday in May. There will be many fine examples of OP's dream boat running around out there.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:40 pm to deltaland
Show up at the Prop Stop with a wad of cash and I’ll bet you can have your dream boat. There will be plenty there once it gets warmer.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:26 pm to Shut Up Mulllet
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center consoles and outboards. They are way more practical and easier to dock and operate.
Basically this.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:48 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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the sole purpose is to pull river skanks (no offense to your wife) and send it
Hell yea
Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:16 pm to weadjust
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buying that boat must have depleted your dock electrical budget
Nah, it was like that when I bought the house. Just living with it until I can have it rebuilt taller and with a cradle lift so I can get rid of the straps
Posted on 3/1/24 at 7:29 am to deltaland
High performance sterndrive/inboard initial costs as well as maintenance and repairs have never been cheap. They weren’t necessarily known to be reliable either. I can’t count how many I’ve seen barely get beyond the dock, if they even made it that far, without a catastrophic failure. Warranties were few and far between until Mercury released the QC4V lineup around 2010. Those engine/transom/drive packages are well over $100k (per side) but you do get a 1-2 year warrantable engine that produces 1100-1350+ horsepower on regular pump gas. Rebuilds at around 250 hours are upwards of $45k but your warranty period resets. What Mercury accomplished with those engines is nothing short of amazing if you spent any time in the industry beforehand. It’s not uncommon for properly maintained QC4Vs to go one or more seasons without any major problems. Gotta pay to play though. A lot. As someone who has spent more than half their life wrenching on boats, they’re not fun to work on either and knowledgeable dealers/technicians are harder to find than reliable engines.
Insurance costs have skyrocketed over the last 2 decades. Policies on some can run upwards of $30k per year, if you can even get insurance. Comes with the territory though when anyone with enough cash, or financing, can buy and operate a boat capable of 160+ MPH without any training whatsoever. Plenty of high-profile crashes have given them a bad rap, and for good reason. Honestly, most high-performance boat owners shouldn’t even be operating a canoe.
Most boat manufacturers saw the writing on the wall with the advancement and increasing reliability of four stroke outboards and adjusted their model lineups. This really took off in the early 2000’s with Mercury’s release of the Verado. Since then outboards have become lighter and more powerful with available warranty periods of up to 8 years on some brands. Maintenance and repair costs are a fraction of their sterndrive/inboard counterparts, not to mention their original purchase price. It’s not uncommon these days for modern outboards to easily eclipse the 1000+ hour mark in a recreational application with proper maintenance and without any major problems. Commercial applications can push 5000+ hours with ease and some are going over 10k+ hours.
Add all of that together and you are watching the very slow death of the high-performance sterndrive/inboard boat industry. It’s to a point now that you damn near have to be self insured and pay for everything out of pocket if you want to be in that world. Insurance costs and lack of financing are slowly putting the final nails in the coffin. It’s been heartbreaking to witness but necessity has driven major innovation. Hard to complain when they’re backing in boats to maintain with 5 or more outboards strapped to the transom and I don’t have to bend over backwards while standing on my head most of the day fixing a sterndrive.
Insurance costs have skyrocketed over the last 2 decades. Policies on some can run upwards of $30k per year, if you can even get insurance. Comes with the territory though when anyone with enough cash, or financing, can buy and operate a boat capable of 160+ MPH without any training whatsoever. Plenty of high-profile crashes have given them a bad rap, and for good reason. Honestly, most high-performance boat owners shouldn’t even be operating a canoe.
Most boat manufacturers saw the writing on the wall with the advancement and increasing reliability of four stroke outboards and adjusted their model lineups. This really took off in the early 2000’s with Mercury’s release of the Verado. Since then outboards have become lighter and more powerful with available warranty periods of up to 8 years on some brands. Maintenance and repair costs are a fraction of their sterndrive/inboard counterparts, not to mention their original purchase price. It’s not uncommon these days for modern outboards to easily eclipse the 1000+ hour mark in a recreational application with proper maintenance and without any major problems. Commercial applications can push 5000+ hours with ease and some are going over 10k+ hours.
Add all of that together and you are watching the very slow death of the high-performance sterndrive/inboard boat industry. It’s to a point now that you damn near have to be self insured and pay for everything out of pocket if you want to be in that world. Insurance costs and lack of financing are slowly putting the final nails in the coffin. It’s been heartbreaking to witness but necessity has driven major innovation. Hard to complain when they’re backing in boats to maintain with 5 or more outboards strapped to the transom and I don’t have to bend over backwards while standing on my head most of the day fixing a sterndrive.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 9:27 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
The new 36-46 foot center consoles can run 70-80 MPH, have big decks and loungers for the trim to sun on, and can fish a tournament the next day.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 9:29 am to deltaland
Do you not Prop Stop and Diversion bro?
Posted on 3/1/24 at 9:34 am to Purple Spoon
Right. For the money they are far better boats. I can't wrap my head around the amount of money I'd need laying around to consider spending it on a cigarette boat.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 9:39 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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the sole purpose is to pull river skanks (no offense to your wife)
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