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re: Louisiana Senate passes constitutional carry.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:37 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:37 pm to bhtigerfan
The problem with constitutional carry is there's no way of knowing how proficient the gun owner may be. There's two general ends of the spectrum.
First time owning a gun? Take lessons from a firearms expert, learn how it operates, and learn that pulling a gun can be in most cases a last resort. Think before you engage.
Former military with a combat infantry MOS and combat experience? I trust them not to accidentally blow my head off during a chaotic event.
With CCP's we had a way to ensure the holder had basic proficiency. Constitutional carry eliminates that.
You need a license to drive a car and demonstrate proficiency. It should be the same for a dangerous weapon capable of ending life, deliberately or accidentally. Like a car.
Let the downvotes rain in.
First time owning a gun? Take lessons from a firearms expert, learn how it operates, and learn that pulling a gun can be in most cases a last resort. Think before you engage.
Former military with a combat infantry MOS and combat experience? I trust them not to accidentally blow my head off during a chaotic event.
With CCP's we had a way to ensure the holder had basic proficiency. Constitutional carry eliminates that.
You need a license to drive a car and demonstrate proficiency. It should be the same for a dangerous weapon capable of ending life, deliberately or accidentally. Like a car.
Let the downvotes rain in.
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:44 pm to Mr Breeze
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The problem with constitutional carry is there's no way of knowing how proficient the gun owner may be. There's two general ends of the spectrum. First time owning a gun? Take lessons from a firearms expert, learn how it operates, and learn that pulling a gun can be in most cases a last resort. Think before you engage. Former military with a combat infantry MOS and combat experience? I trust them not to accidentally blow my head off during a chaotic event. With CCP's we had a way to ensure the holder had basic proficiency. Constitutional carry eliminates that. You need a license to drive a car and demonstrate proficiency. It should be the same for a dangerous weapon capable of ending life, deliberately or accidentally. Like a car. Let the downvotes rain in.
Here’s an upvote.
The idea of living in a society where most people are responsible, and respect the heavy responsibility of learning how to use a firearm and the good judgement to not use it unless absolutely necessary has long passed us by.
Perhaps the vast majority culture of responsible firearm ownership will return out of necessity with this law being passed. I hope it gets here sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, requiring training, even with it’s pitfalls, is worth considering.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:46 pm to Mr Breeze
Proficient b/c of a driver's license ?
You don't get out much, do you?
You don't get out much, do you?
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:48 pm to Mr Breeze
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The problem with constitutional carry is there's no way of knowing how proficient the gun owner may be. There's two general ends of the spectrum.
I’m sure the hoodrats in south Chicago who have glock switches agree with your statement. And Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, yet it’s in the top 10 most violent cities in the US. Criminals don’t give a frick about gun laws, they never have and never will. Law-abiding citizens should have the right to defend themselves in the public. Period.
This post was edited on 2/22/24 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 2/22/24 at 9:20 pm to Mr Breeze
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You need a license to drive a car and demonstrate proficiency. It should be the same for a dangerous weapon capable of ending life, deliberately or accidentally. Like a car.
Driving isn’t a constitutional right.
Posted on 2/22/24 at 11:56 pm to Mr Breeze
Need the same for bows BB guns pellet guns pitch forks hammers baseball bats fillet knife’s….. it’s just a tool and a birth right
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:14 am to Mr Breeze
Very educated argument on this subject. I really dont understand why anyone wiuld downvote this.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:47 am to Mr Breeze
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Former military with a combat infantry MOS
What’s a “combat infantry MOS”?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:55 am to Mr Breeze
You don;t get any real world proficiency by get a CCP. You shoot at a static target 36 rounds and you're good to go.
Also, 28 states have constitutional carry, where;s the carnage you worry about?
Also, 28 states have constitutional carry, where;s the carnage you worry about?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:03 am to Mr Breeze
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Former military with a combat infantry MOS and combat experience? I trust them not to accidentally blow my head off during a chaotic event
I wouldn't. I know quite a few who are loose cannons.
I'm all for constitutional carry. Yeah there will be some idiots abusing it but that's freedom.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 7:05 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:11 am to Mr Breeze
With CCP's we had a way to ensure the holder had basic proficiency. Constitutional carry eliminates that
1. I took rhe classes for CCP. They di not make you proficient AT ALL. Only practice and range time do that
2. How many law-abiding idiots do you think will now start carrying that weren't before?
1. I took rhe classes for CCP. They di not make you proficient AT ALL. Only practice and range time do that
2. How many law-abiding idiots do you think will now start carrying that weren't before?
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:05 pm to Mr Breeze
Not sure a CHP holder always has more skill. Go to class, pass class, obtain license, done. I wonder how many take more classes to become proficient. It’s more than aiming and bang. There’s also safety that needs to become muscle memory.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:17 pm to Mr Breeze
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The problem with constitutional carry is there's no way of knowing how proficient the gun owner may be.
There's no way of knowing how proficient a gun owner that wants to open carry right now is. There is nothing stopping first time gun owner Joe blow from walking into a store with a gun on his hip right now. He can't conceal it, but he can carry it.
The idea that after passing constitutional carry there will be hoards of people rushing to go buy a gun and tuck it in their waistband is misguided. Conceal carrying is too uncomfortable and inconvenient for most. All this does is removes unnecessary red tape to exercise a fundamental right, which is always a good thing.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:08 pm to Mr Breeze
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With CCP's we had a way to ensure the holder had basic proficiency. Constitutional carry eliminates that.
You need a license to drive a car and demonstrate proficiency. It should be the same for a dangerous weapon capable of ending life, deliberately or accidentally. Like a car.
The biggest idiots are already carrying now. You really think this getting passed is going to make things worse?
Posted on 2/25/24 at 8:30 am to Mr Breeze
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The problem with constitutional carry is there's no way of knowing how proficient the gun owner may be. There's two general ends of the spectrum. First time owning a gun? Take lessons from a firearms expert, learn how it operates, and learn that pulling a gun can be in most cases a last resort. Think before you engage. Former military with a combat infantry MOS and combat experience? I trust them not to accidentally blow my head off during a chaotic event. With CCP's we had a way to ensure the holder had basic proficiency. Constitutional carry eliminates that. You need a license to drive a car and demonstrate proficiency. It should be the same for a dangerous weapon capable of ending life, deliberately or accidentally. Like a car.
The right to bear arms is a constitutional right and in the text of the second amendment you will not find text related to the requirement of proficiency for qualification to bear arms. Much different from driving a car and that is a very poor comparison. I won’t argue that it is beyond wise to be proficient at handling and firing a pistol/rifle but the lack of that knowledge cannot supersede a constitutional right.
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