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Payoff house or keep money invested?

Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:48 am
Posted by Redstickbaw
Member since Jul 2023
51 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:48 am
I owe roughly 150k on my 30 year 5.5% mortgage with 25 years remaining. Mid 30s and have enough to payoff loan in a brokerage account currently invested in an s&p index fund. I’m at 30k cap gains if I sold so I’d take a tax hit on that but I have enough after the tax burden for the payoff. Should I keep the money invested or payoff mortgage?
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
2767 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 6:54 am to
Man tough call. Get the peace of mind of paying off versus investing. Crummy rate from 5 years ago tbh. 3 years ago you could have re-fi’ed to 2.5. Could have then easily said to not pay it off, if so
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24240 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:16 am to
Keep money invested. Don’t overthink this.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
8041 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:19 am to
Depends on what else you have. If it’s just the brokerage account and it would be wiped out by the payoff, you may just want to stay the course.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10604 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:25 am to
I think the answer needs more info

How is cash flow?

Would a 15 year work for you?

Would you really invest the amounts currently used to pay mortgage?

Do you have wife?
Any kids?
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 7:26 am
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
1228 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:11 am to
Limited info to give advice, but would probably keep the mortgage, get on an auto-pay that chips in some extra principal to turn this in to a 15-year mortgage, and stay invested in the market.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124551 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:25 am to
quote:

I owe roughly 150k on my 30 year 5.5% mortgage with 25 years remaining. ... I’m at 30k cap gains if I sold so I’d take a tax hit on that
5.5% would be high enough for me to want to pay off.

But there shouldn't be an urgent need to cash out all $150K if it entails significant unnecessary Cap Gains exposure (i.e., short-term exposure or long term gains bumping into a higher tax bracket). If that's the case, consider splitting some of the payoff into 2025.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2159 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:30 am to
5.5% is border line whether to pay it off or not. Market is likely to out perform but payoff greatly reduces your financial risk. Payoff locks your capital away though and you will suffer opportunity cost for next 25 years.

Worst case, you stay invested then lose your job during a market downturn and your capital is diminished just when you really need it. On other hand, if you stay invested that $ is accessible if ever needed. If your job is very stable I'd lean towards staying invested.

The first home we bought had a 5.5% rate and we rushed to pay it off. Looking back, I regret that decision because we could have done better in market. But we are very disciplined and actually would have invested difference. I was also in a very stable job in military during a time of war with very little risk of job loss so we could have tolerated the market risk.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32852 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:47 am to
That’s way too big of a chunk of your investments to take off the table all at once in your mid 30s.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30668 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:48 am to
Keep the money invested. Mathematically better even without the capital gains hit

Realistically it will be difficult to maintain throwing your current mortgage monthly into your brokerage for long enough to replenish it to where it is now. It’s much easier to maintain your current lifestyle
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
52002 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:50 am to
I'm risk averse so I would pay it off. No mortgage debt is no mortgage debt.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21371 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 8:54 am to
Do you plan to be in this house for the next 25 years? If not, then keep the mortgage.

If you are staying, you are going to pay out around $126,000 in interest over 25 years. $11,000 a year.

Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12440 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 9:07 am to
I’ve always been curious of this question specifically because of front loaded interest on mortgages. The interest of the entire mortgage is 5.5. Let’s say the OP pays off half the mortgage and keeps the rest to invest. Is this going to cut into more than 5.5 interest since it is front loaded? How does that work for those who know?
Posted by Granola
Member since Jan 2024
566 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:25 pm to
I paid off my house first then upped my investment. It's nice to not have that monthly note.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25999 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 4:03 pm to
You payoff the house "and then what?"

Humans aren't static creatures.
Are you dumping all of that money into the market each month?

Or you looking at another home (lakefront/riverfront/beachfront/mountainview)? Would you need a kiddie condo in the future? Is there a business opportunity?

I'm a fan of paying back debt. But if there is a chance that you could use the money to avoid financing anything at higher rates, then you are best to hold tight on such a big decision.
Your downside risk would be to make the move too soon (payoff but have a need for capital) rather than too late.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119894 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 7:24 pm to
Peace and security of no mortgage vs market fluctuations
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3824 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 11:37 pm to
quote:

I owe roughly 150k on my 30 year 5.5% mortgage with 25 years remaining.


No. It's a small balance in the grand scheme.It's likely not a long term house as well.

It's your primary house. You will likely ever owe ZERO tax on it if you're married depending on future sales price.
This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 11:39 pm
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