re: Suburban owners- do you like it?

Wagoneer L has my interest and my only hesitation is the new I6 turbo. It would be a no brainer for me if they still offered the V8. More interior room than the other large SUVs.

We have the GMC version with the gas V8. Honestly wish we’d have bought one sooner. It’s an excellent vehicle for us with plenty of power. It’s massive but for such a big vehicle, it’s surprisingly easy to park. They come with an LSD so it can handle a boat ramp or light off roading pretty easily. Some have air suspension but ours does not.

We’ll eventually replace our Toyota 4Runner with another Yukon or Suburban with the turbodiesel. I prefer the styling and the pricing/packaging structure of the Suburban to the Yukon.

There is a reason General Motors has 60%+ market share in full sized SUVs. That’s been clear to us since we bought one.

You need a minivan.

Suburban is an excellent choice. It's expensive though, especially if you want the air suspension, adaptive cruise control, and the most powerful engine.

We recently bought a full sized GM SUV and considered the Sequoia, Wagoneer, and Expedition.

Here's how I'd grade them based on the 2023 models:

Suburban/Yukon/Tahoe: A+ These are venerable nameplates that are popular for a reason. General Motors dominates this market and they invest a lot into these trucks. Even the shorter wheelbase Tahoe and Yukon are extremely roomy - moreso than the standard length expedition if you put a lot of taller people in the 3rd row. They have a very nice off road model with air suspension. The manetorological shocks they've been using for 25 years now are available in the higher end models and they are worth it - they make these things ride super well. The 6.2L V8 and 5.3L V8 sound the same and they can both tow very well, but the 6.2L model is legitimately fast. The 3.0L diesel is an excellent option if you put a lot of miles on them (a lot of Suburban owners go for the diesel). The Yukon is tied with the Sequoia as having the best resale in this class, and the Suburban is pretty close to it.

Jeep Wagoneer: B The Jeep has a very well designed interior combined with very smooth riding suspension and the proven Ram 1500 chassis. It rides as well as the Suburban, but I think the Suburban might handle slightly better. The Jeep we drove was a 5.7L V8 model, which is not in production anymore but they still exist in inventory if you want to buy one. Problem here is that the Wagoneer isn't selling very well, and Jeep is offering a lot of cash on the hood. I think people are reluctant to spend this kind of money on a Jeep (even though it's a Ram underneath), and I think they are even less excited about doing so when the only option is an unproven 3.0L six cylinder turbo engine. Resale value and long term reliability are both big question marks here.

Ford Expedition: C The Ford is a solid option if you can get it on sale. Otherwise I wouldn't bother. The best thing about it is the powertrain. The high output turbo 3.5L V6 is actually powerful and the Expedition models with that particular engine are pretty quick. Ford's big issue here is the interior design and the ride quality. The space utilization isn't as good as the Wagoneer or Tahoe/Yukon especially in the third row. They make a longer version though that probably solves most of those issues and helps it compete with the Suburban and Yukon XL. The ride is pretty choppy compared with the other models. Resale isn't as good as the Toyota or the GM models, but I'm sure it's better than the Wagoneer. I don't really understand the appeal unless you are a Ford guy and refuse to consider better options.

Toyota Sequioa - D - At the time, this was the most difficult one for us to find and test drive. There are plenty of them available in inventory now though. We are big Toyota fans, but this one was a huge disappointment and a rare miss for the company. The biggest issue is that just isn't enough space in this truck to compete with the Tahoe or Expedition - much less the Suburban, Yukon XL, or Wagoneer. The third row is the most cramped, and there is the least amount of cargo space. The interior quality is not bad, but the competitors are all as good or better. The inside felt like it was designed to compete with the aging Ford Expedition, but with less interior space - except that the Ford is about to be redesigned completely while the Toyota's is brand new. It's miles behind the Jeep and GM products in ride quality, but a little better than the Expedition. The powertrain is excellent though. I wouldn't be concerned at all with the V6 hybrid powertrain, especially with this kind of power. I'm sure it can tow as well as the others without breaking a sweat.

As far as reliability - I've read about issues with all of them. With the exception of the Wagoneer, I wouldn't really be concerned owning any of them long term. I think the Toyota turbo waste gate issues, GM's lifter ticks, and Ford's transmission and cam phaser problems are all overblown and amplified by social media. I'd probably be most confident owning the Toyota and General Motors trucks long term. Ford is kind of a risk for me, but it's an old design and most of the quirks have probably been addressed. The Wagoneer I think is probably the biggest question mark.

Even on their worst days - all of them are probably far superior to anything you can get from Land Rover, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, or Genesis. But none of them are going to be a 1980s Land Cruiser that can just run forever.

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sequoia 2022 or earlier.

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Lol

I have friends that buy sequoias and I buy suburbans

They have more trouble with theirs on multiple vehincles plus the suburban has more room/better technology/rides better/ and gets way better gas mileage

The friends mentioned above are getting a new vehicle soon and are looking hard at options to get a way from sequoias

We have a 22 z71 suburban. It has been great for us so far, had a Tahoe before that but it just didn't have enough room for 3 kids.

I wanted the new Sequoia to be a contender for us and it was just such a miss. I sing Toyota praises and we've traditionally been a Toyota/Lexus family, so I'm not dogging it for sport.

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consider one of those passenger Mercedes Sprinter vans.

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once you add all the bells and whistles they are the same price with less cargo space unless you get it custom altered after you buy it

Also they are not the most reliable either and the parts are way more expensive

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Wagoneer L has my interest and my only hesitation is the new I6 turbo.

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OMG…don’t do it. Get a GM product before Jeep like this….unless you’re leasing, then who cares.

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wanted the new Sequoia to be a contender for us and it was just such a miss

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How is it a “miss”? Unless you need a Suburban, the Sequoia’s I’ve seen have been a huge upgrade over previous gen. They look fantastic as well & not a mommy mobile herd vehicle like you see at school pickup line.
As far as engine issues, yes there was definitely teething issues with engine at first, but I’ve read where that’s been taken care of. Don’t buy first model year of anything. As far as longevity, it’s Toyota & not even close.