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Basketball Defensive Scheme
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:07 pm
This team needs to play more zone to compensate for the lack of interior defensive presence. Florida had their way with Baker and Dean all 1st half last night. The flip side to this is LSU needs better defensive play from the guards to stop penetration. Just seems like our guys are getting drug off the ball constantly, something that hopefully could be remedied by more zone. Also could create more opportunities for "pick 6" steals that this team seems to rely on so much.
Wish McMahon would've gone more zone heavy against bama and auburn but what's done is done I guess. Regardless, hopefully this can be a sign of things to come as I really think a slower pace could help this team (although maybe at the expense of some fast breaks).
Anyway, just my two pennies
Wish McMahon would've gone more zone heavy against bama and auburn but what's done is done I guess. Regardless, hopefully this can be a sign of things to come as I really think a slower pace could help this team (although maybe at the expense of some fast breaks).
Anyway, just my two pennies
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:08 pm to The Shaqtus
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The Shaqtus
Nobody touches you
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:08 pm to MrWalkingMan
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Nobody touches you
Amen brother
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:52 pm to The Shaqtus
McMahon is a young coach and hopefully able to learn from mistakes. Should have gone zone earlier in a lot of those games. His philosophy is up tempo but he doesn’t have the dogs to run it. Needs to adjust it to his personnel. Problem with this team is there is no “the guy”. The guy you can trust to make the play in crunch time. Thought cook was going y to o be that guy but he’s not. Not yet. Wright isn’t that guy but they expect him to be. Ward could have been that guy but blew it on the layup after turnover. That is the piece he neeeds in addition to some bigs who can rebound.
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:21 pm to The Shaqtus
You will have a higher defensive success rate if you’re not recovering from turnovers. Hannibal is doing a great job, but the wing/backcourt are butter fingers as of late.
Never thought I would say this but if shot clock hits 10, give it to baker, and get back on d.
Never thought I would say this but if shot clock hits 10, give it to baker, and get back on d.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 5:50 am to The Shaqtus
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The Shaqtus
My son was on national TV, when he was a student back in the Wade day, holding up the Shaqtus at a basketball game.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:26 am to The Shaqtus
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This team needs to play more zone to compensate for the lack of interior defensive presence.
At first glance I'd agree - we have played VERY little zone this year and when we finally played it - it worked. Caveat, Florida has had repeated trouble against 1-3-1 zones so that may be the main reason we went to THAT particular zone against them and it worked, moreso than it being our magic elixer.
Dribble penetration is our biggest flaw on man D and the ripple effect from the rotations leads of course to open 3's and rebounding lanes.
I'm not sure how effective zone would be against other teams. For the most part zones make it more difficult to rebound and issue that is already our major weakness even playing man. Can it get worse?
But it's worth a try. We'll still have bigs down low who don't really contest shots inside well at all, but hell...give it a try.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:21 am to Tiger Ugly
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For the most part zones make it more difficult to rebound and issue that is already our major weakness even playing man. Can it get worse?
Yea I thought about that too, but like you said can't really get that much worse
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:24 am to The Shaqtus
I will admit that basketball is not a strong suit, but I’ve asked this question a few times on here with no luck.
What does LSU actually execute well besides effort? It’s difficult for any team in a sport to consistently win when there isn’t a particular strength. My criticism of McMahon has been the results more than X’s and O’s, but I continuously hear he’s a good coach without any evidence outside of his time at Murray state…and I’m yet to actually read a description of what we’ve done well since he’s arrived
What does LSU actually execute well besides effort? It’s difficult for any team in a sport to consistently win when there isn’t a particular strength. My criticism of McMahon has been the results more than X’s and O’s, but I continuously hear he’s a good coach without any evidence outside of his time at Murray state…and I’m yet to actually read a description of what we’ve done well since he’s arrived
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 7:26 am
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:49 am to tigerbait2010
He does use multiple offensive sets to get shots. Lots of high pick and roll/pop. Even double high picks. We haven't seemed to have an issue inbounding the ball. Our biggest issue has been transition defense and dribble penetration. The transition defense is the result of taking bad/early shots and poor rebounding although they have battled at times on the board. Other than Hannibal and Mwani when healthy, we have no lockdown guards. That is something he will have to improve if he wants to take the next step. Mcmahon ran an up tempo offense but he doesn't have the personnel here to run that. Question is can he adjust his philosophy and change it to fit this team until he has those players.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 9:58 am to The Shaqtus
We like to force turnovers and I think we have been good at that. But, that is why we over help on pretty much everything and get blown by most of the time on defense. We can't rebound because our defense is so bad at stopping the ball we switch all the time.
We also get TORCHED when other teams use the high pick with Baker's man because he simply is too slow to even get back in the play after his guy sets the screen.
We also get TORCHED when other teams use the high pick with Baker's man because he simply is too slow to even get back in the play after his guy sets the screen.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:07 am to The Shaqtus
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Wish McMahon would've gone more zone heavy against bama
Alabama wants to shoot a ton of 3's. A zone would have invited them into to doing exactly what they want to do.
LSU defensive rating has been steadily dropping like a rock throughout SEC play after initially being the strength of the team. This has been a two year trend now for McMahon as last year's defense ultimately ended up being rated worse than the offense.
A big part of the declining defense is LSU is not getting the abundance of steals/turnovers they were earlier in the season. I think McMahon's overall approach is he wants to pressure the ball (in the half court) to create turnovers and run outs. That's not happening anymore and hasn't for several games now. So he has to start adjusting. The good news is that if he can, LSU's offense has been on a heater as of late (steadily IMPROVING as the season has gone on). The zone vs. Florida helped keep a red-hot (in the first half) Florida at bay and give LSU a chance to win.
I guess if there is one (among many) criticisms about McMahon is that he often waits too long to make adjustments. It shouldn't take falling behind by 20 to realize the defense and/or personnel you are playing is not working. It shouldn't take a team exploding for a double-digit run to realize a lineup you have on the floor is not working.
For much of the year LSU was playing decent defense, but were shite offensively because they couldn't stop turning the ball over. Now the offense has come around and has been playing very well. Unfortunately, the defense has gone to shite.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:14 am to mcspufftiger7
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McMahon is a young coach and hopefully able to learn from mistakes.
Add this to the litany of ridiculous excuses raised to absolve McMahon of any criticism for constant losing.
He's about to be 46 years old. He's been a D-1 head coach for nearly a decade. Prior to that, he was an assistant coach for 13 years. This isn't a 32 year old coach who is 2 years into his first HC job. He's not "young" in terms of experience.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:18 am to Alt26
quote:This is a solid takeaway. LSU was sitting mid-50s Kenpom defensive efficiency and now low 90s. Offense is up to 85 right now.
For much of the year LSU was playing decent defense, but were shite offensively because they couldn't stop turning the ball over. Now the offense has come around and has been playing very well. Unfortunately, the defense has gone to shite.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:18 am to Pnels08
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We also get TORCHED when other teams use the high pick with Baker's man because he simply is too slow to even get back in the play after his guy sets the screen.
If I was coaching against LSU and had a capable PG with any sort of athleticism and decision making ability, I would make Baker defend multiple high picks every possession until they were forced to sit him
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:20 am to Alt26
quote:Just wait until they realize Wade is just 41 years old.
He's about to be 46 years old. He's been a D-1 head coach for nearly a decade. Prior to that, he was an assistant coach for 13 years. This isn't a 32 year old coach who is 2 years into his first HC job. He's not "young" in terms of experience.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:29 am to Alt26
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Alabama wants to shoot a ton of 3's. A zone would have invited them into to doing exactly what they want to do.
That's true but it would've at least slowed the pace and made them work for it. In both of those games, Alabama constantly got open looks off of dribble drives for easy kick 3s. It would at least (hopefully) force multiple ball reversals or some sort entry pass to the FT line area to get an open shot. Felt like in both of the bama games when LSU was in man, bama cut the floor in half, played a two or 3 man game, and LSU just couldn't keep up. More zone would presumably make opposing teams use the entire floor for a decent shot instead of a quick drive, pass, and open three 8 seconds into the shot clock
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:30 am to Alt26
Never said mcmahon was above criticism. Said there was a learning curve in the SEC for a young coach. Even BK experienced that and he's much older. There is a difference between criticism and judgement. You just don't know the difference.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:38 am to mcspufftiger7
quote:You have to be kidding me.
Never said mcmahon was above criticism. Said there was a learning curve in the SEC for a young coach. Even BK experienced that and he's much older. There is a difference between criticism and judgement. You just don't know the difference.
This is your own post...
Only an idiot compares football to basketball at LSU. That is all.
Posted on 2/15/24 at 10:46 am to The Shaqtus
Agree, our best chance to win games is to pack it in, stop paint points and hope the opponent doesn’t shoot it too well from outside. We’re scoring enough points we just can’t stop anyone and playing zone with our size could at least potentially give us something on D.
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