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Self Contract New Home Build.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:28 am
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:28 am
Hey guys, I was wondering if any of you have been your own General Contractor on you own home build? How was the experience? What is your background? Any big take aways? Should I squash the idea and hire a GC. The main driver is saving $.
I have a 2 acre lot in Assumption Parish and seriously considering this option on my build. The house would be a 2200 sq ft home on slab. I do know a guy that lives a few miles away that has recently completed his home using this method, but he is a little more knowledgeable in this field. He says it was pretty easy for him due to the fact that all the subs used were local and knew each other which really helped with the flow and coordination. I would plan on doing the same.
My background is Industrial Construction Management, but from what I here, that does not translate at all into the residential side. My job is fairly flexible so i could put the time in on the job site when needed. I've also recently hand built a 800 sq ft marsh fishing camp with help from my dad, but there are no codes or regulations that needed to be followed. It was also a Metal building on pilings that we finished out so good experience, but not a house.
I have a 2 acre lot in Assumption Parish and seriously considering this option on my build. The house would be a 2200 sq ft home on slab. I do know a guy that lives a few miles away that has recently completed his home using this method, but he is a little more knowledgeable in this field. He says it was pretty easy for him due to the fact that all the subs used were local and knew each other which really helped with the flow and coordination. I would plan on doing the same.
My background is Industrial Construction Management, but from what I here, that does not translate at all into the residential side. My job is fairly flexible so i could put the time in on the job site when needed. I've also recently hand built a 800 sq ft marsh fishing camp with help from my dad, but there are no codes or regulations that needed to be followed. It was also a Metal building on pilings that we finished out so good experience, but not a house.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:35 am to Elusiveporpi
if you have construction project management experience, a friend that can sort of guide you, and access to subs, it's not bad at all.
i have those three things and would do it again in a heartbeat if it wasn't so cost prohibitive (building a house in general i mean).
i have those three things and would do it again in a heartbeat if it wasn't so cost prohibitive (building a house in general i mean).
Posted on 2/5/24 at 10:54 am to Elusiveporpi
I GC'd my home build while also doing a lot of the work myself. It's a huge time commitment and I was only able to do it because I worked from home and lived on site. We did save quite a bit of money though.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:13 am to Elusiveporpi
I've done it. While my day job has nothing to do with residential construction, I've done some investment properties and design work. Despite being very familiar with construction, I still needed to lean on some contractor friends for help. I was able to save money doing it on my own, but there are some things you need to consider before going that route.
Typically a subcontractor isn't going to give you the same rate that they give a contractor unless you are paying cash. Paying cash has some drawbacks and I wouldn't suggest doing that either. The material supplier may offer discounts to the contractor that you don't get. In other words, you'll spend more than a contractor would to build your house. You are going to spend money on mistakes that a contractor wouldn't have. The only savings you will have will be the contractor fee minus those differences.
One of the biggest issues self-contractors have is getting subs to come back and fix things. However, the contractor can make a call and the sub sends someone over to fix it b/c they have that relationship. The licensed subs will be better at this (foundation, framing, brick, plumbers, elec, hvac, roofer, etc) b/c they have to be licensed. But your subs for drywall, flooring, painter, countertops, etc will be harder to get down the road.
I don't recommend self contracting to people unless they are tied into construction already in some way. If you still want to do it, the absolute best advice I can give you is this. Only hire subs that you know OR that come highly recommended by someone you trust. Do NOT hire a sub based on their price.
Typically a subcontractor isn't going to give you the same rate that they give a contractor unless you are paying cash. Paying cash has some drawbacks and I wouldn't suggest doing that either. The material supplier may offer discounts to the contractor that you don't get. In other words, you'll spend more than a contractor would to build your house. You are going to spend money on mistakes that a contractor wouldn't have. The only savings you will have will be the contractor fee minus those differences.
One of the biggest issues self-contractors have is getting subs to come back and fix things. However, the contractor can make a call and the sub sends someone over to fix it b/c they have that relationship. The licensed subs will be better at this (foundation, framing, brick, plumbers, elec, hvac, roofer, etc) b/c they have to be licensed. But your subs for drywall, flooring, painter, countertops, etc will be harder to get down the road.
I don't recommend self contracting to people unless they are tied into construction already in some way. If you still want to do it, the absolute best advice I can give you is this. Only hire subs that you know OR that come highly recommended by someone you trust. Do NOT hire a sub based on their price.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:15 am to Elusiveporpi
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The main driver is saving $.
Sure there's money to be saved but don't cheap out when it comes to hiring the subs. Hire the ones with the best reputation in the business.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:32 am to Elusiveporpi
hire a GC, GC takes on the risk
self-contract, owner takes on the risk
only you know whether the risk/reward equation is likely to be in your favor. I would suggest to you that you consider the risk as you make the decision
self-contract, owner takes on the risk
only you know whether the risk/reward equation is likely to be in your favor. I would suggest to you that you consider the risk as you make the decision
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:40 am to Elusiveporpi
The issue isn’t whether or not you are capable of managing the project - it is your access to the subs.
You are a one-off for them. If they get a job on another for an actual builder - they no-show your house. Then you are juggling timing because one is dependent on another.
You are a one-off for them. If they get a job on another for an actual builder - they no-show your house. Then you are juggling timing because one is dependent on another.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:48 pm to Elusiveporpi
I went with a GC so I could use his subs. I would have no idea how to contract reputable sub on my own. I talked to a few home owners that the GC built their homes to get feedback from their experience. Also, the GC’s subs gave discounts if I used them.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:29 pm to Elusiveporpi
It is a rough way to save 10-12% of the build cost. We built in 2022 and hired a builder at cost + 10%. Best decision I ever made.
The lighting, plumbing, appliances all came with a nice contractor discount I would not have had contracting itself.
In real terms, I think the material savings likely shaved 2-3% off the build price alone.
The lighting, plumbing, appliances all came with a nice contractor discount I would not have had contracting itself.
In real terms, I think the material savings likely shaved 2-3% off the build price alone.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:43 pm to Elusiveporpi
I did it, twice!
What “notbilly” says is the most accurate thing, I could not have said it better myself.
I got my subs by visiting active job sites and talking with supply houses/lumber yard.
Also, those little signs Subs put in front of houses they work on are very good sources.
What “notbilly” says is the most accurate thing, I could not have said it better myself.
I got my subs by visiting active job sites and talking with supply houses/lumber yard.
Also, those little signs Subs put in front of houses they work on are very good sources.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 6:43 pm to Elusiveporpi
I did it, twice!
What “notbilly” says is the most accurate thing, I could not have said it better myself.
I got my subs by visiting active job sites and talking with supply houses/lumber yard.
Also, those little signs Subs put in front of houses they work on are very good sources.
What “notbilly” says is the most accurate thing, I could not have said it better myself.
I got my subs by visiting active job sites and talking with supply houses/lumber yard.
Also, those little signs Subs put in front of houses they work on are very good sources.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:49 am to Elusiveporpi
A middle ground might be a cost + flat fee contract. You hire a “ licensed consultant” and pay him a flat fee. He lines up his subs with good relationships and discounts and you pay materials/labor but at his cost. You’ll get what you pay for regarding materials as you are paying his cost for materials but his rate is a flat free instead of a percentage of the total cost. Just an idea. I wouldn’t go look for Joe-blow though, make sure he comes on good recommendations and can show you his work.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 3:16 pm to Elusiveporpi
I use to build and flip houses. A builder is only as good as the subs he uses. I never had to check behind subs, they knew what I wanted, they did their job. Whatever you do, always hold back money. I’d rather write 100 checks than 5. I told a buddy of mine this, his house was finished, all but the punch list. He was still $13,000 to the good. Couldn’t get his builder to do the punch list. I had everything done for a couple thousand.
I could go on, but you get what I’m saying. I’m leaving now, a friend is building a new home, wants me to do a walkthrough. Let me know if you need more info.
I could go on, but you get what I’m saying. I’m leaving now, a friend is building a new home, wants me to do a walkthrough. Let me know if you need more info.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 3:26 am to Elusiveporpi
I just finished mine last April in Assumption parish. Had no problem at all. I will say this, a buddy of mine used a GC to build his home about the same time we built ours and he finished a few months in advance. But, there have been numerous issues that he is seeing. Roof leaks, window issues, others. He is now realizing that the GC gave him an estimate for job and he agreed to price. Then the GC tried getting the cheapest guys to do the jobs and it wasn’t what he wanted. I got my own people to do the job, but I also got to choose who I wanted. I work shift work so it wasn’t bad, except turnaround times for materials was bad due to Covid and supply and demand.
Bout where you building in big Assumption Parish? We probably know a lot of the same people.
Bout where you building in big Assumption Parish? We probably know a lot of the same people.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 3:35 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:43 am to Elusiveporpi
I was the GC on our home in 2013. It’s a 2 story on a chain wall foundation to give it a farmhouse look. For the most part everything went well with a few exceptions. We did quite a bit of work ourselves to make sure we stayed in budget. I didn’t spend less doing it this way. The money I “saved” was spent on upgrades and changes as we built. All in all it wasn’t bad but you have to dedicate yourself to it. I was here every day and night . The subs were all local and did what we’d agreed to. The plumber was the only one that was hard to deal with but it all worked out in the end.
Don’t pay a sub fully until all the work is completed as agreed. Once they don’t have a reason to come back they won’t.
Don’t pay a sub fully until all the work is completed as agreed. Once they don’t have a reason to come back they won’t.
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