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re: Louisiana now charges road usage fee for electric and hybrid vehicles
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:46 am to White Bear
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:46 am to White Bear
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You e-car baws sure do wear your feelings on your sleeve.
I love when you emotional little schoolgirls accuse other people of being emotional when they mock you for being emotional
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:47 am to EST
Have to pay for sucking roads one way or another and you are not paying your share ......Be happy and thank you for joining the club .....
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:47 am to Ingeniero
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I think we need to take them at their word and start charging tax based on vehicle weight. What's another $60 on top of the $780/month note for Peighslynn's Tahoe?
My car weighs about 3,300 lbs, so I'm all for it
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:49 am to Gray Tiger
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While you are virtue signalling by parading around in your oh, so socially acceptable EV on your way to a rally demanding that fossil fuel harvesting be stopped, think for a second. Once all of you planetary saviors succeed and all ICE powered vehicles are eliminated, how will highway construction and repair be funded?
Thanks for making my point.
Again, just as I said that somehow your retard mind can’t grasp, I am not advocating for any laws forcing production of EVs, nor any more regulations or tariffs or taxes on any gas powered vehicles. I like Teslas and I would like them to remain independent and novel. Like I mentioned in my previous post, that somehow your moronic, narrow minded pea brain can’t wrap its addled arms around, I like Teslas because they’re cool. I have zero interest in fossil fuel emissions, social acceptance, or saving the planet. Also, and I know this might be a tough one for you, I don’t think it’s the first thing on most Tesla owners minds either. But don’t let that get in the way of your dipshit narrative.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:53 am to Joshjrn
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Obviously depends on where I am. I can say that for trips to the panhandle, I fill up in BR and that gets me to the condo, all of the driving around during the trip, and about halfway back (if I wanted to). Instead of driving halfway back and waiting until I'm empty, I drive back up to the interstate, usually with about a quarter of a tank left, and fill back up so I can make the drive back home and still have about half a tank for the work week.
So 10,000 miles a year. With 2/3rds of that in Louisiana.
6,666 miles in Louisiana at 45 miles per gallon is 148 gallons.
148 gallons at .20 cents of tax per gallon is around $30 a year. Plus your state fee of $60 comes out to $90.
If I do that same math on a truck for 6,666 miles that gets 20 MPG it comes out to around $67.
Congrats on having to pay a measly $23 more a year.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:55 am to Joshjrn
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That would mean I would need to actually use 300 gallons of gas, within the state of Louisiana, for this fee to be “fair”. Yet, I burn through less than half of that in a year. In short, we are being required to pay more than our usage would dictate to subsidize the rest of you.
um, you're not paying for usage of gasoline.
you're paying for usage of the highway.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:57 am to 3nOut
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I don’t know that they “cause more damage” but electric vehicles do have to replace tires earlier.
They do. Heavier weight in motion accelerates wear and tear on roadways. Also, few have considered the additional live load in parking decks if the time comes where a majority of the vehicles parked in said decks are 25%+ heavier, nor have they considered the fire protection required to extinguish a battery fire in those same decks. An EV owner is ultimately going to pay more to park in a deck too, or park on the street.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:59 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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So 10,000 miles a year. With 2/3rds of that in Louisiana.
6,666 miles in Louisiana at 45 miles per gallon is 148 gallons.
148 gallons at .20 cents of tax per gallon is around $30 a year. Plus your state fee of $60 comes out to $90.
If I do that same math on a truck for 6,666 miles that gets 20 MPG it comes out to around $67.
Congrats on having to pay a measly $23 more a year.
And think about how much more damage your ghastly heavy truck is doing to our dear roads!!!
I kid. I've already said I don't care about the money. It's literally nothing to me. Was simply pointing out that I'm now paying "more than my fair share". I'm just glad that we could finally, at least roughly, agree on the math
Posted on 1/27/24 at 9:59 am to CoachChappy
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How much more does a Tesla weigh than an 18 wheeler?!
That's why 18 wheelers go through weigh stations, to tax them more.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:00 am to Nutriaitch
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um, you're not paying for usage of gasoline.
you're paying for usage of the highway.
Go back and read my post again, slowly. You'll get there
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:00 am to EST
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If your vehicle is electric then the charge is $120.
Good.
Gasoline and diesel drivers have to pay a state gasoline tax that is supposed to help fund state roads. Why shouldn’t EV users pay their “fair share”?
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:03 am to Joshjrn
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Joshjrn
A few things:
1. Your out-of-state mileage is irrelevant to a discussion about a system based on an annual fee. You don’t pay an EV/hybrid fee in Texas or Florida for the miles you drive in those states, just as TX/FL drivers don’t pay a fee for miles they drive in LA.
It only becomes relevant if different states adopt drastically different models for collecting road taxes on EV’s, in a way that causes you to be double-taxed. Until then, it all comes out in the wash. No tax system is perfect.
2. You’re whining over peanuts that largely come down to a margin of error. If an “average” driver drives 15k miles per year and an “average” vehicle gets 20 mpg, that’s 750 gallons per year. 750 gallons x $0.20/gal excise tax is $150/year.
You say your hybrid gets 45 mpg. 15k miles at 45 mph is 333 gallons per year. That’s $67/year in excise tax - $83 less than the conventional ICE driver. With the $60 tax you come out ahead by $23/year.
“But I don’t drive 15k miles!” OK - do the math at 12k miles. The conventional ICE driver is paying $120/year in excise tax while you pay $53. A $67/year difference. You still come out ahead by $7/year.
“But vehicles get more than 20 mpg!” ..Do they? OK, sure, let’s say the average conventional ICE gets 22 mpg in actual driving conditions. AND they only drive 12k miles per year. Now the conventional ICE driver is paying $109 in excise tax compared to your $53. So you pay $56/year less than them. Congrats, you found a scenario where you’re being overtaxed - by a whopping $4 per year.
3. The entire conversation is silly because we are comparing a new tax to a gasoline excise tax that hasn’t been increased since 1990. That $0.20/gallon excise tax in 1990 would be $0.48/gallon today if it were adjusted for inflation alone (without even looking at fuel economy increases). But it’s not, and our roads are woefully underfunded as a result. We shouldn’t be using the 1990 gas tax as a measuring stick in the first place because they all need to increase. But here we are.
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:06 am to whodatdude
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whodatdude
I know exactly what it means, both in and out of this context. Try again
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:06 am to Joshjrn
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Drive about 10k miles, roughly 2/3 in state, or about 6,600
You need to get out more, Gramps.
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:08 am to Rouge
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You need to get out more, Gramps.
I live in the middle of a city. I get out a ton; the drives just tend to be quite short
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:12 am to lostinbr
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3. The entire conversation is silly because we are comparing a new tax to a gasoline excise tax that hasn’t been increased since 1990. That $0.20/gallon excise tax in 1990 would be $0.48/gallon today if it were adjusted for inflation alone (without even looking at fuel economy increases). But it’s not, and our roads are woefully underfunded as a result. We shouldn’t be using the 1990 gas tax as a measuring stick in the first place because they all need to increase. But here we are.
Addressing this, as the rest of your post has mostly been addressed already, I imagine while you were typing it out
But as to this bit, I don't disagree with you. Well, frick taxes in general, but yes in that the gas tax hasn't kept up.
Now go have a politician raise the gas tax so much as five cents and listen to all of these "conservatives" wail and gnash their teeth.
And that's the whole point of this thread. Again, I don't actually give a shite about the $60. This was just to have a bit of fun while enjoying my Saturday morning coffee while listening to the birds sing for the first time in days after all of this fricking rain
Posted on 1/27/24 at 10:16 am to Joshjrn
“punitive”
“inflicting, involving, or aiming at punishment”
You’re right. The state is totally trying to “punish” hybrid/EV drivers by charging them (albeit a little higher that ICE) to use the same roadways.
Keep on fighting the power, sunshine.
“inflicting, involving, or aiming at punishment”
You’re right. The state is totally trying to “punish” hybrid/EV drivers by charging them (albeit a little higher that ICE) to use the same roadways.
Keep on fighting the power, sunshine.
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