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re: TOP 20 NIL Collectives
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:21 am to KWL85
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:21 am to KWL85
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Can someone explain why a team like AR is #8 on this list and not in the top 20 in recruiting rankings?
NIL is much bigger than just College Football.
Arkansas has been a top T&F program for years. Throw in Basketball & Baseball too
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Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:29 am to bayou85
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If you bitch about NIL and don't donate, stop. You're part of the problem. If you do donate, bitch away.
If I donate monthly, does that mean I can justly boo the athletes?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:30 am to bayou85
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If you bitch about NIL and don't donate, stop.
What if I don't donate and don't bitch?
That list is stupid and irrelevant, btw.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:33 am to bayou85
Is it better to fund the collective or to fund TAF or to split between the two?
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:35 am to DeathByTossDive225
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separate athletics from academic institutions entirely,
This is the day college sports dies, at least for me. I'm not rooting for the Baton Rouge Tigers.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:39 am to JimTiger72
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LSU $ & TAF $ are not NIL $.
There are a lot of people who understand this very clearly & just don’t care about the bureaucratic technicalities. Calling bullshite anyway.
At the end of the day I’m not ever endorsing an inflated sports economy that pays everyone except players & demands donations from fans to support rosters.
If payers are to be paid, quit dancing around it & restructure the league so that payers can be paid from revenue & so that it can be regulated properly.
You have plebs running around shilling for this totally inequitable model that is in the interest of a few & not the many (fans, players). Turning into a mirror of reality, sad.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 8:40 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:40 am to KWL85
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Can someone explain why a team like AR is #8 on this list and not in the top 20 in recruiting rankings?
Because this list is not based on fact. It is one website giving their opinion on who has the best collective. Guys sitting around a bar and debating which actress has the best tits is more factual. At least you can see the tits. You can not see any financial information on Collectives as they are not required to publicly disclose it.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:46 am to JimTiger72
Arkansas has been a top T&F program for years. Throw in Basketball & Baseball too
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What is T&F? NIL has only been around a couple of years. I generally believe in "follow the money", and am would expect that the teams with the most money would have the top recruiting classes. The outliers on this list, like AR, are surprising.
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What is T&F? NIL has only been around a couple of years. I generally believe in "follow the money", and am would expect that the teams with the most money would have the top recruiting classes. The outliers on this list, like AR, are surprising.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:49 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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This is the day college sports dies, at least for me. I'm not rooting for the Baton Rouge Tigers.
I hate it too, but this is where we are.
I think the current model is doomed to fail.
Too fragile, can’t even hope to maintain illusions of parity, hardly any transparency, ppl still doing illegal things - just difficult to enforce anything…
If mass donations are truly expected to drive this forward long-term, it’s going to derail.
So either the NIL issue is greatly exaggerated, more changes will come, or people will disengage.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:53 am to Nicktay225
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I donate what I can. I’ve bitched a little bit, but I think some big things are about to happen with our NIL. I don’t have any sources at all, but just reading what some reputable guys have to say they think we’re about to be way more organized and it’s about to start rolling.
Agree. Need to have a Person in charge (CEO Role) and a Management team to get organized and promote the Collective. When LSU has the Tiger Tour where BK and Woodward (and other coaches goes around the state) the Director of the Collective needs to be on that Tour. They need to work the entire state and have an event in New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lafayette, Lake Charles, Alexandria, Shreveport and Monroe along with both Houston and DFW.
ESPN 104.5 can continue to help out, I know Moscona has been promoting it on his show and podcast. I am amazed that there are lots of LSU fans who still did not know that LSU had a Collective and people who did think it is only for larger $5k to $10K minimum donations.
There is an option for $240/$20 per year which makes if affordable for a larger segment of the fanbase than just the heavy donors like Todd Graves of Raising Canes, or Gordon, etc.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:57 am to wesman21
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Is it better to fund the collective or to fund TAF or to split between the two?
Wanna know why Bryce Underwood is coming? Because he has eyes on NFL and wants to be developed.
You want to know why he’s coming here to be developed? Because we have Joe Sloan. Why do we have Joe Sloan? Because we’re paying TF out of our coaches.
Unregulatable NIL donations vs small pool of coaches working on actual contracts. Which is more stable? The answer is TAF.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 9:01 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 8:59 am to DeathByTossDive225
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Wanna know why Bryce Underwood is coming?
Wanna know what keeps Underwood here for 2 years until he becomes the starter?
NIL
You can guarantee that Bama, Texas, & whoever will be trying to poach him from us after he doesn't see the field.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:03 am to Art Vandelay
Bama isn’t even on the list. There’s no way they don’t have a great collective. List is shite.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:06 am to KWL85
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What is T&F?
Track & Field, XC, etc.
Arkansas Athletics has 50 total National Championships.
49 of those come from T&F
Posted on 1/9/24 at 9:07 am to JimTiger72
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Wanna know what keeps Underwood here for 2 years until he becomes the starter? NIL
You’re just being a parrot, and you’re wrong.
If NIL is the deciding factor, we don’t land Underwood at all.
NIL money is there just like dark recruiting budget was before, but LSU is wise in its decision to not go overboard pushing the collective.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:02 am to DeathByTossDive225
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Wanna know why Bryce Underwood is coming? Because he has eyes on NFL and wants to be developed.
You want to know why he’s coming here to be developed? Because we have Joe Sloan. Why do we have Joe Sloan? Because we’re paying TF out of our coaches.
So the Athletic asked a bunch of kids at the UA AA game if they took the most NIL money offered and how much they left on the table if they didn't. MOST of the HS kids didn't go with most NIL money. Most left tens of thousands on the table. Development and dream school were top reasons. Only one kid they interviewed said he went with most money.
NIL is best used for retention and portal. But building thru HS is still the best way to build a power. Thats not saying don't pay HS kids anything, just not giving a Lance Heard over a $100k to be a backup for a year.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 10:27 am to bayou85
While I agree, LSU has done a VERY poor job advertising the collective. I have seen ads for Alabama, Auburn, and OM's collectives on X and other socials but have not seen the same for Bayou Traditions.
I am not saying they have done zero promotion, but they certainly haven't done as much or been as effective as other schools. This also surprises me because our Social team always brags about how many more impressions and interactions LSU gets compared to everyone else in the country. Why not take that reach and try to drum up donors? Its much easier to sign up from a link you randomly come across on a social than to actively go seek out how to sign up.
And don't even try with any type of "they don't want to beg" BS. They relentless promoted LSU Gold when it came out and still do quite a bit and that product blows.
I am not saying they have done zero promotion, but they certainly haven't done as much or been as effective as other schools. This also surprises me because our Social team always brags about how many more impressions and interactions LSU gets compared to everyone else in the country. Why not take that reach and try to drum up donors? Its much easier to sign up from a link you randomly come across on a social than to actively go seek out how to sign up.
And don't even try with any type of "they don't want to beg" BS. They relentless promoted LSU Gold when it came out and still do quite a bit and that product blows.
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/9/24 at 11:30 am to JClsutigerfan
The money at Aggie is stupid. I guarantee Jimbos buyout was made in less than 15 minutes at the Houston petroleum club. Money can’t buy success, but it don’t hurt neither.
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:00 pm to SlidellCajun
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Not all collectives are as focused on football but in case you haven’t noticed, SMU’s getting better in football.
Otherwise, NIL isn’t perfect everywhere. It depends on who’s running the collective. Sometimes they’re inept
3rd poster on page 1 said the top 20 collectives mirror the football top 20. I was responding to that. keep up
This post was edited on 1/9/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/9/24 at 12:02 pm to bayou85
Where's the TD.com collective? It has to be in the works, right?
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