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re: Madison Brooks case cell phone data now in defense’s hands
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:13 am to Tortious
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:13 am to Tortious
Here’s a thought…
If they dropped her off and didn’t care what happened to her, would “depraved heart” apply if it is a thing in LA?
Idea is that someone not directly responsible for a death can be charged with it if they showed a reckless disregard for that person’s safety, such as knowing they were suicidal and intentionally doing nothing.
Dropping a drunk raped girl off somewhere to get run down by a car seems to fit that.
If they dropped her off and didn’t care what happened to her, would “depraved heart” apply if it is a thing in LA?
Idea is that someone not directly responsible for a death can be charged with it if they showed a reckless disregard for that person’s safety, such as knowing they were suicidal and intentionally doing nothing.
Dropping a drunk raped girl off somewhere to get run down by a car seems to fit that.
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah there was a lot of time and intervening factors and it would be a major stretch.
Explain this please.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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if these guys hadn’t offered her a ride and transported her to the place of her death, she wouldn’t have died.
I thought they dropped her off where she asked them to drop her off. Assuming that's true, anyone who gave her a ride home would have dropped her off in the same spot in the neighborhood.
It’s more likely than not she would have made back to her residence or someone else’s residence by getting a ride from someone else. She was dropped off where she was because of issues/argument with who she was with; and also because these guys were high schoolers and/or lived in different parishes and not college students living nearby to take her back to their place (also they were less likely to know anyone in sorority to call to get her somewhere safe).
I thought there was some kind of argument with maybe the driver. She then basically said just let me out, and being done with her they let her get out of car knowing she was drunk and stumbling and didn’t look back (I think that was part of their initial conversation with police).
If they wanted to play he said/she said or take the chance she wouldn’t remember or even care about what happened they should have made sure she made it back to her place safely (or their place but again 3 lived in Livingston I think & 1 lived somewhere else). Instead their lack of concern about her welfare led to her getting killed very soon after getting out of their car which then got an official record of her blood alcohol level showing her inability to legally consent to sex while she was with them.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:46 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Explain this please.
Let's assume that she wasn't killed that night, just for the sake of the explanation.
In this hypothetical, at some point in the future, she would die. Let's say that death happens 60 years from now. Clearly you can't associate the felony behavior with the death, because there's too much attenuation.
So there is clearly a cutoff at some point where you can't associate the felony with the death.
Assuming they dropped her off in a residential neighborhood, and that she walked a long while (in terms of minutes) to the road, and the rape/felony had nothing to do with the death (which it didn't in this case b/c an Uber hit her).
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Let's assume that she wasn't killed that night, just for the sake of the explanation.
In this hypothetical, at some point in the future, she would die. Let's say that death happens 60 years from now. Clearly you can't associate the felony behavior with the death, because there's too much attenuation.
So there is clearly a cutoff at some point where you can't associate the felony with the death.
Assuming they dropped her off in a residential neighborhood, and that she walked a long while (in terms of minutes) to the road, and the rape/felony had nothing to do with the death (which it didn't in this case b/c an Uber hit her).
shut the frick up. They just gang raped a fricking drunk arse girl and then the combative nature of raping a drunk girl and her maybe not having a good grasp of reality in the moment had them drop her off in a fricking parking lot of an association knowing she was not directly walking into a fricking house. Its asinine and then you want to sit here and type the word attenuation over and over like your some big fancy pimple arse fricker knowing what he's talking about. It was either raining at that moment or minutes later was pouring on her with her standing in the midddle of a road getting hit by a direct oncoming car. Clearly she was in such a great state of sobriety per sfp.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Got it.
Are they attempting to charge them with murder, or is that just message board talk?
Are they attempting to charge them with murder, or is that just message board talk?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:56 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Are they attempting to charge them with murder
Naw. If they could, they would.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:00 am to Chad504boy
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shut the frick up. They just gang raped a fricking drunk arse girl and then the combative nature of raping a drunk girl and her maybe not having a good grasp of reality in the moment had them drop her off in a fricking parking lot of an association knowing she was not directly walking into a fricking house. Its asinine and then you want to sit here and type the word attenuation over and over like your some big fancy pimple arse fricker knowing what he's talking about. It was either raining at that moment or minutes later was pouring on her with her standing in the midddle of a road getting hit by a direct oncoming car. Clearly she was in such a great state of sobriety per sfp.
Chad. Stop being emotional.
This conversation is beyond you. We are not talking about the rape and I'm answering why the murder charge isn't viable.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 11:01 am
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:02 am to MrLSU
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I hope all of those idiots in jail are raped nightly
You really think a bunch of black dudes in jail are gonna care that some black dudes raped a white girl?
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 11:03 am
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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Chad. Stop being emotional.
This conversation is beyond you. We are not talking about the rape and I'm answering why the murder charge isn't viable.
This is a message board, not a court of law. You have an agenda to defend the rapists repeatedly. You are a fricking scumbag.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:05 am to Chad504boy
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You have an agenda to defend the rapists repeatedly. You are a fricking scumbag.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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Assuming they dropped her off in a residential neighborhood, and that she walked a long while (in terms of minutes) to the road, and the rape/felony had nothing to do with the death (which it didn't in this case b/c an Uber hit her).
This should be easy to measure. Dumbass videos have a time stamp and there is a recorded time the Uber hit her. They should be able to determine how many minutes she stumbled around, raped and disoriented, between the time they dropped her off and she was killed.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:08 am to Rick9Plus
I assume they literally did just that prior to the initial indictment, which is why they didn't go for anything related to the death.
This video voyeurism charge shows they'll go to any level to charge the defendants.
This video voyeurism charge shows they'll go to any level to charge the defendants.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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This video voyeurism charge shows they'll go to any level to charge the defendants.
or that a video voyeurism crime took place. whatever suits your agenda sfp.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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This video voyeurism charge shows they'll go to any level to charge the defendants.
If by “go to any level” you mean charge a guy with a crime that he admits to committing and provides them with video proof. It’s low-hanging fruit.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:15 am to Rick9Plus
The prosecution should pay Carver for that charge, he did all the work.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:17 am to Rick9Plus
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If by “go to any level” you mean charge a guy with a crime that he admits to committing and provides them with video proof. It’s low-hanging fruit.
Could it be that the state knows their weakest rape case will be on this particular defendant and they want something else to at least make sure he spends some time behind bars?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:18 am to JDPndahizzy
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Could it be that the state knows their weakest rape case will be on this particular defendant and they want something else to at least make sure he spends some time behind bars?
Well, yeah. Carver didn’t rape her. He did sit there, watch, record, and even narrate with “They finna rape her.” I think he even posted it online.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:19 am to JDPndahizzy
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Could it be that the state knows their weakest rape case will be on this particular defendant and they want something else to at least make sure he spends some time behind bars?
That's why I said (in the other thread) that it was a desperation move.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:20 am to Rick9Plus
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Well, yeah. Carver didn’t rape her.
You do know he's charged with rape, right?
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