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New To Gardening - How Much Crop?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:06 am
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:06 am
This will be my first time attempting to grow a garden. I’m trying to plan it out but I’m having a hard time coming up with how much of each crop I’ll need and the size of the garden. It’s my wife, two kids (2 & 4), and me. Plans are to freeze and can enough until next season. Crop will be corn, green beans, okra, tomato’s, cantaloupe, peppers, and cucumbers (will be pickled). How much of each will I need and how big of an area should I prepare?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 8:58 am to GAFF
How much space do you have to work with? My limiting factor is physical backyard space vs some lawn for the kids to run around. I’ve had to stop growing plants that need a lot of room like watermelon.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:07 am to GAFF
Going to need a pretty nice size space to can and freeze enough to sustain the 4 of you for the year. Peppers, tomatoes, okra, and cucumbers not so much, but corn and green beans will require a bit of space, Green beans on a bush give you around 15-20 beans per plant, on a pole you get around 80 (I googled it), so pole beans will yield more in a limited amount of space.
There are guys on this site that produce some beautiful gardens and they will probably be much more help.
As a novice gardner, I owuld recommend soil samples be done, irrigation planned, and a good idea of how you will battle insects and other issues prior to them occuring. Life gets busy and my best laid plans to run to the store and grab something often get pushed off too long. And critters like rabbits or deer will show up and eat everything in some places, so if that is possible, have a plan to protect the garden.
I am redoing my garden this year and going to a larger footprint, I am looking at expanding to two 6 x 12 beds. I dont think I could do what you want to do with that room. Maybe I could if I added another 6x12 for corn?
There are guys on this site that produce some beautiful gardens and they will probably be much more help.
As a novice gardner, I owuld recommend soil samples be done, irrigation planned, and a good idea of how you will battle insects and other issues prior to them occuring. Life gets busy and my best laid plans to run to the store and grab something often get pushed off too long. And critters like rabbits or deer will show up and eat everything in some places, so if that is possible, have a plan to protect the garden.
I am redoing my garden this year and going to a larger footprint, I am looking at expanding to two 6 x 12 beds. I dont think I could do what you want to do with that room. Maybe I could if I added another 6x12 for corn?
This post was edited on 1/4/24 at 9:09 am
Posted on 1/4/24 at 9:45 am to tigerfoot
I have about 1/3 of an acre of room to work with (doesn’t have to be that large). Irrigation already in place. Soil sample has been done but still need to take it to someone to see exactly what I need to do to get it where it needs to be (ground is Apison soil with soft slate).
The garden doesn’t necessarily have to provide a full year of harvest, but I don’t want to only end up getting a few cans either. I’ve seen people who have done wire arches for their beans. How much would that yield?
The garden doesn’t necessarily have to provide a full year of harvest, but I don’t want to only end up getting a few cans either. I’ve seen people who have done wire arches for their beans. How much would that yield?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 10:08 am to GAFF
Same family set up. I have four 4x8 beds for vegetables and it's an OK set up. I have a cow panel as an arch trellis between two of the beds. If I could redo it I'd do:
If raised beds: four 3x12 beds or three 3x16 beds
If plowed rows: four 20 foot rows
We do a lot of beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, zucchini, peas, carrots, tomatoes, some peppers, with a lot of herbs and flowers interplanted.
4x8 is ok but working it can be a pain with chicken wire around it. It does allow room for sweet potatoes and cantaloupe to spread though.
If raised beds: four 3x12 beds or three 3x16 beds
If plowed rows: four 20 foot rows
We do a lot of beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, zucchini, peas, carrots, tomatoes, some peppers, with a lot of herbs and flowers interplanted.
4x8 is ok but working it can be a pain with chicken wire around it. It does allow room for sweet potatoes and cantaloupe to spread though.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:34 am to TheBoo
Do you have and know how to use a pressure canner ?
Posted on 1/4/24 at 11:37 am to Tbone2
Forgot where I found this
Expected Crop Yields per 100 feet of row
Lima Bean (32 lbs.)
Snap Bean (30lbs.)
Beets: 100 lbs. (100 lbs)
Broccoli: 70 heads
Cabbage: 85 heads
Cantaloupe: 120 melons
Carrots: 150 lbs.
Cauliflower: 60 heads
Collards: 175 lbs
Corn: 120 Ears
Cucumber: 170 lbs
Eggplants: . 150 lbs.
Garlic: 350 heads
Kohlrabi: 75 lbs
Lettuce: 100 heads
Mustard: 100 Bunches
Okra: 180 lbs
Onions (dry): . 220 lbs
Peas (southern): 20 l bs shelled
Peas (English): 40 lbs
Pea (snow): 65 lbs
Pepper (bell): 125 lbs
Pepper (cubanelle): 200 lbs
Potato, Irish: 200 lbs
Potato, sweet: 200 l bs
Pumpkin: 150 lbs
Radish: 30 lbs
Rutabaga: 90 lbs
Shallot (green): 350 bunches
Spinach: 40 lbs
Squash (summer): 80 lbs
Squash (winter): 150 lbs
Strawberries: 170 lbs
Tomatoes: 250 lbs
Tomatoes (cherry): 450 lbs
Turnips: 100 bunches
Watermelons (20 lbs. each): 20 melons
Expected Crop Yields per 100 feet of row
Lima Bean (32 lbs.)
Snap Bean (30lbs.)
Beets: 100 lbs. (100 lbs)
Broccoli: 70 heads
Cabbage: 85 heads
Cantaloupe: 120 melons
Carrots: 150 lbs.
Cauliflower: 60 heads
Collards: 175 lbs
Corn: 120 Ears
Cucumber: 170 lbs
Eggplants: . 150 lbs.
Garlic: 350 heads
Kohlrabi: 75 lbs
Lettuce: 100 heads
Mustard: 100 Bunches
Okra: 180 lbs
Onions (dry): . 220 lbs
Peas (southern): 20 l bs shelled
Peas (English): 40 lbs
Pea (snow): 65 lbs
Pepper (bell): 125 lbs
Pepper (cubanelle): 200 lbs
Potato, Irish: 200 lbs
Potato, sweet: 200 l bs
Pumpkin: 150 lbs
Radish: 30 lbs
Rutabaga: 90 lbs
Shallot (green): 350 bunches
Spinach: 40 lbs
Squash (summer): 80 lbs
Squash (winter): 150 lbs
Strawberries: 170 lbs
Tomatoes: 250 lbs
Tomatoes (cherry): 450 lbs
Turnips: 100 bunches
Watermelons (20 lbs. each): 20 melons
Posted on 1/4/24 at 12:21 pm to GAFF
I grew a garden about what size you’re probably looking for last year, maybe you’ll want a little bigger. I did about 14’ x 20’ including 4 rows. I basically did a row of peppers (made 20gal), row of tomatoes (enough to eat, share and use 25lbs for salsa), 8-10 okra plants (ate on then saved at least 10gal bags cut) and the rest were bell peppers/egg plant/zucunni/squash. I planted my cucumbers on a trellis elsewhere. I ran 1/4” irrigation line using drip emitters being ran by an orbit timer. It got me thru last years terrible drought worry free, highly recommend. Cantaloupe you can probably plant thru or near a pallet to keep them off the ground like some do with watermelons. Beans are easy and produce well I never do grow them, though. If you’re doing sweet corn keep in mind each plant doesn’t produce much. An every animal near will want its share. I do my smaller plants 18” apart such as peppers. Tomatoes and bigger framed plants 36” apart. Good luck. Hope this helps.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 5:27 pm to GAFF
Sounds like you're wanting to get serious about it. If that's the case, learn how to can. It's not that difficult and your crops will last for years.
There's a little bit of investment with the equipment and education but the ROI us tenfold. I do most of my canning on the fish cooker outside because, well I get to be outside.
There's a little bit of investment with the equipment and education but the ROI us tenfold. I do most of my canning on the fish cooker outside because, well I get to be outside.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 6:51 pm to bamarep
Learning to can is one of the reasons I’m wanting to start gardening. My mom has always canned vegetables she’s gotten from friends. So the equipment and know how is already there. Just have to get her to show me.
Posted on 1/4/24 at 10:27 pm to GAFF
A stalk of corn will grow 1 or 2 ears and that’s it.
I don’t remember the spacing but the need to be a foot to 18” apart I think and you’ll need several rows to protect the corn from wind.
I don’t remember the spacing but the need to be a foot to 18” apart I think and you’ll need several rows to protect the corn from wind.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 2:27 pm to GAFF
If I were you, I'd forget about corn. There just not enough yield per plant to warrant taking up that amount of space in a small garden.
Okra is very prolific and in peak season it is not unusual to pick at least 1 pod of okra per plant per day.
If growing green beans and cucumbers, I'd opt for growing them on a trellis. Cucumbers will look better, not have any rot or bug issues like they can laying on the bare ground. Also, picking pole beans and cucumbers are way easier on a trellis.
Peppers---bells and milder varieties will produce earlier than the hotter varieties like habanero, serrano, cayenne, ghost.
Cantaloupe and other melon crops will eat up a ton of space since they spread across the ground.
My backyard garden consists of 5 rows 50 ft. long. I also have 2 trellises, both about 20 ft. long and 6 ft. tall. There is also one 4 ft. x 12 ft. x 1 ft. high raised bed I use for root crops like garlic, beets, onions.
If in the deep south, growing tomatoes should be spaced fairly far apart for better air circulation around the plants. Plant too close and it encourages mold/mildew issues, especially as the weather heats up. I usually go 30 inches between tomatoes.
Okra is very prolific and in peak season it is not unusual to pick at least 1 pod of okra per plant per day.
If growing green beans and cucumbers, I'd opt for growing them on a trellis. Cucumbers will look better, not have any rot or bug issues like they can laying on the bare ground. Also, picking pole beans and cucumbers are way easier on a trellis.
Peppers---bells and milder varieties will produce earlier than the hotter varieties like habanero, serrano, cayenne, ghost.
Cantaloupe and other melon crops will eat up a ton of space since they spread across the ground.
My backyard garden consists of 5 rows 50 ft. long. I also have 2 trellises, both about 20 ft. long and 6 ft. tall. There is also one 4 ft. x 12 ft. x 1 ft. high raised bed I use for root crops like garlic, beets, onions.
If in the deep south, growing tomatoes should be spaced fairly far apart for better air circulation around the plants. Plant too close and it encourages mold/mildew issues, especially as the weather heats up. I usually go 30 inches between tomatoes.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:22 pm to Tbone2
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Do you have and know how to use a pressure canner ?
The answer to that is yes. It's not hard to use and a quick u-tube search should give you all you need to know unless you have the instructions that come with the pressure canners.
Most important tool for canning fresh vegetables that are not in a brine based liquid.
I do a good bit of canning and use it for canning fresh vegetables with just lightly salted water in the jar. My 22 qt. pressure canner gets a workout for part of the year.
Lots of stuff is also pickled or cooked down and put in quart freezer bags and frozen for later use.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 3:31 pm to bbvdd
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A stalk of corn will grow 1 or 2 ears and that’s it.
I planted corn once------just once. It was really not worth the space it took up. The only good thing about corn is you can plant it close in each row and don't need a lot of space between rows.
However, only getting a max of 2 ears per stalk, I find it a waste of space. The local Rouses puts corn on sale when in season and I've gotten them for as little as 10 ears for $1 and that is a hell of a lot easier than growing it.
Now, there are some people who like to companion plant. They start their corn and let it get about waist high and then plant pole beans around the corn stalks so the vines climb the stalks so the beans grow off the ground with no need for a designated trellis.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 10:50 pm to gumbo2176
Most corn can be spaced 10 inches apart. Super heavy nitrogen feeder. In addition you need to hill the dirt around the plant as it grows. Corn is alot of work, but macque choux is worth it. I would not grow it in my gardern. Tomatoes, cukes, peppers, egg plants, string beans and purple hull peas and cantaloupe are in my spring garden every year. Also, go ahead and buy yourself an All AMerican Pressure canner. It's definitely a lifetime purchase.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:23 am to ABucks11
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I’ve had to stop growing plants that need a lot of room like watermelon.
I grow sugar babies and black diamond watermelon on a trellis, works great, doesn't take up much room and they are so good compared to what you get in the store. I usually try a stars and moon or moon and stars too but those get pretty big and I let those run wild, I just haven't had much success with them, but plenty with the small melons.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 9:36 am to GAFF
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I’ve seen people who have done wire arches for their beans.
Can run a cord/wire arch to arch and let the vines run to increase “space” too.
Don’t forget to plan according to crop maturity either. Hate to see you plant early crops surrounded by later ones complicating replanting for a 2nd crop. Plant the slowest in the middle since you will be disturbing the soil least.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 10:30 am to gumbo2176
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I planted corn once------just once. It was really not worth the space it took up
Same here, the first year I did a more serious in ground garden. I had raised beds prior to that, and we'd do a few tomato plants and smaller vegetables, but I tilled out a section that first year and planted corn, beans, tomatoes, cucumbers, squash, and some berries. Decided I don't have enough space to properly grow corn and beans in my yard without tilling out a much larger space, and didn't want to deal with muddy ground in the winter after the growing season. I stick with squash and cucumbers and tomatoes mostly. My youngest keeps talking about a garden, so I'm going to let him help me this spring. We'll get seeds started inside in a few weeks.
Posted on 1/7/24 at 11:03 am to TU Rob
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Decided I don't have enough space to properly grow corn and beans in my yard without tilling out a much larger space,
Plant pole beans on something they can climb on. It could be as simply as 3 or 4 willow branches formed into a teepee for them to climb up, or as nice as a designated trellis. Hell, chain link fencing works great too if you have that.
That way the beans grow upwards and picking them is a snap without much bending over like you have with bush beans.
Oh, and give Japanese Yard Long beans a look if you decide to plant them. They also go by Asparagus Beans in some catalogs. They grow fast and are very prolific with beans reaching 20+ inches before picking. They cook down like regular snap beans, are great on the grill but suck for pickling since they tend to get leathery in the brine.
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