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re: Tucker Carlson: scam libertarian economics creates evil dollar stores that degrade people
Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Apparently hes an anti-capitalist.
Yes, he is on record supporting many programs that are basically socialist.
I keep telling ya'll (not specifically you, Roger) two things:
1. Art Bell was a far superior conspiracy nutter.
2. This love affair with populism is going to end up with y'all becoming every bit as socialist as the likes of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. That's where this leads.
We'll have two factions: the anti-white socialists and the "white people are the real victims" socialists.
And it won't last long, because nobody will be willing to protect US interests internationally because "'Merca First!" and China will take full advantage of it.
And you will have your abandonment of conservative principles in favor of populist nonsense to thank, with Donald J. Trump as the face of it all.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 9:08 am
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Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:59 am to scottydoesntknow
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Who could argue with this logic?
No one living in reality could.
Tucker is trying to tell you MAGAts that free markets are bad, and you need more control of the economy.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:59 am to Wednesday
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Only you would consider making the Dollar Store the only option in a small or rural community an advancement
Rural areas didn't even have these options
You had to go "to town" to have less selection at higher prices
Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:59 am to rmnldr
Free trade was a lie that allowed the most unscrupulous and corrupt in the business world to buy the most unscrupulous and corrupt in the political world without consequence, politically destroy or buy off their "free market" competition, consolidate and then dominate the information and political environment worldwide. Those that continue to sell that line of crap are enjoying the crumbs the stock market drops into their lap while the middle class shrinks, the impoverished class rapidly expands and the true wealth grows in power.
Tucker is right and I'm glad someone is voicing it.
Tucker is right and I'm glad someone is voicing it.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:00 am to rmnldr
How do dollar stores degrade people?
And I’d argue the prevalence of the welfare state has led to more dollar stores because it keeps people in perpetual poverty. And that isn’t capitalism
And I’d argue the prevalence of the welfare state has led to more dollar stores because it keeps people in perpetual poverty. And that isn’t capitalism
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:01 am to deltaland
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How do dollar stores degrade people?
They dont. I walk in like I own the place when I'm down South.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:02 am to AUCom96
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Tucker is right and I'm glad someone is voicing it.
Congrats on the burgeoning socialism.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:03 am to deltaland
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And I’d argue the prevalence of the welfare state has led to more dollar stores because it keeps people in perpetual poverty.
Yep, food stamps and welfare helped Walmart and dollar stores explode. These people are blaming market reactions to government.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:04 am to scottydoesntknow
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mmk
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We have a real economy and we manufacture a ton of stuff. We make shite here, just not the shittier lowest level crap
Why did you ignore this?
Why do you think we don't manufacture goods?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:04 am to NC_Tigah
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The question is would Americans "now" be happier if they were transferred to "then"?
I once had a conversation with a Romanian woman and her daughter who lived there under communism.
So I made a comment about how much happier they must be to be in the States and more free.
The reply I got shocked me. They said yes there were more material goods in the U.S. but they really weren't 'happier'.
They described a community growing up where people didn't have as much but were pretty much equal in that regard. They said that made them have a lot in common, made them close, there was little to be jealous over and the human connection was warmer.
Totally not what I expected.
Me and my American superiority will never forget that.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:05 am to TrueTiger
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They described a community growing up where people didn't have as much but were pretty much equal in that regard. They said that made them have a lot in common, made them close, there was little to be jealous over and the human connection was warmer.
Thats the goal of socialism.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:06 am to scottydoesntknow
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You walk around a European city that is beautiful and has been around for centuries and it makes you think, why must everything in the US be ugly? The Dollar Store represents everyone just getting by and just existing. The building itself is ugly and depressing. It brings down the community as its more of less just a distribution center for cheap plastic garbage that enriches the people that will never shop there.
This is more due to corporatism caused by govt policies that squeeze the middle class and small business owners. Corporations don’t build big fancy pretty buildings or care about service/product quality over price/volume. To them it’s simply about the bottom line. Small business owners are more likely to pride themselves on their business appearance and quality of service/product
Deregulate the economy and lower tax burden on small businesses so they can compete better in the market with corporations and you’d see this change over time. And this is closer to capitalism/libertarianism than what we see now in our economy
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:06 am to TrueTiger
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They said that made them have a lot in common, made them close, there was little to be jealous over and the human connection was warmer.
That's sorta sad that income was their only glue. I have close friends, who I could call at 0200, that make half of what I make and who make 2-3 times what I make. Our shared values are what makes the human connection, not income.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:07 am to Wednesday
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Only you would consider making the Dollar Store the only option in a small or rural community an advancement
No, anybody who understands that providing good and services more efficiently and cheaper is an economic advancement would consider it so. Either the Dollar store is fulfilling the needs of the community or it's not. If it's not, the opportunity exists for anybody who is willing to fill it with a locally owned store (as though the Dollar Store isn't locally owned...it almost certainly is. It's a franchise, but the franchise owner almost certainly is local) to do so.
The community chooses it's own "options." No one forces the Dollar Store to be the only store in town.
Anybody can open a direct competitor to it any time they want. And if the community values being able to run a tab with the owner (which almost certainly wouldn't happen anyway in 2023 regardless of who owns the store) over lower prices, they'll put the Dollar Store out of business.
Remember that male vs female discussion we had not long ago? Read your reasoning for despising Dollar Stores. I see a lot of emotion in it. I don't see any reason in it.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:07 am to wackatimesthree
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And you will have your abandonment of conservative principles in favor of populist nonsense to thank, with Donald J. Trump as the face of it all.
Exactly, I said this when he was elected in 2016, watching them turn to socialists before my eyes.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So, you think poor people shopping for cheaper products is degrading just like the leftists do?
When poor people only have the ability to purchase bad food and cheap items that will make them sick in many cases using state supplied assistance programs to do so yes that it degrading and yes that’s stupid for us to perpetuate.
Those crap stores wouldn’t exist in many cases without snap, welfare etc funding them. If we are going to have a safety net we should ensure we are using that spending effectively and I think his argument is we are fat, dumb and unhealthy as a society because our money is being allocated poorly.
You can be of that opinion without being socialist or anti-capitalist. All it takes is just being objective.
I’ve heard him say he’s a capitalist so I suspect what he’s trying to say is that we should be looking for options by which we provide rural and urban poor people with better food options within a capitalistic structure, not that we need to embrace a full command economy.
On that note we would all be better off if we had shared objective measures for how we are doing as a society.
We have better statistics for how effective a batter is in MLB or a basketball players performance in the NBA than we do for how our governments and social structures are performing.
Health.
Wealth building.
Infrastructure.
Freedom.
Tech innovation.
These are all things that could be objectively measured and tracked as a scorecard for our nation just like a business has KPIs for theirs, yet we don’t and our politicians are able to dazzle us with BS rhetoric as a result.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:07 am to scottydoesntknow
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Thats your gotcha?
No, it's the 18,000 employed in the US and the numerous other off shoot jobs created by their 48 facilities. I guess that doesnt mean much to you.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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We advanced as an economy
Have we? Quality of life is better now than it was in the 50's ?
The middle class is bigger now (per capita) than it was in the 50's ?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:09 am to Elblancodiablo
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Have we?
Yes.
Low level mfg is not possible without automation or government subsidies. We advanced to a tech economy.
I dont know why yall sweat China so much, they are having the same problem, and manufacturing is now leaving China for Vietnam and Mexico.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 9:10 am to deltaland
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This is more due to corporatism caused by govt policies that squeeze the middle class and small business owners.
Agree. Government policy is the root cause.
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