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Too many people are in love with what they want Zion to be.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:33 pm
And not able to see what he is.
He is a once in a lifetime talent that will always underachieve and fight himself to stay healthy.
We missed our window to get top tier value, now we should cut bait and leverage an incredibly deep and talented roster without him.
He is a once in a lifetime talent that will always underachieve and fight himself to stay healthy.
We missed our window to get top tier value, now we should cut bait and leverage an incredibly deep and talented roster without him.
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:49 pm to Safety Blitz
He’s played in 23 of 28 games and is averaging 22ppg.
We all would have taken that at the beginning of the season.
We all would have taken that at the beginning of the season.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:49 pm to Safety Blitz
Is he a once in a lifetime talent? He’s not even a top 25 player this year.
He doesn’t play defense, rebound, or shoot from outside 3 feet. He’s just an ok passer.
That sounds like a very limited player to me.
That’s before we get into the fact he’s fat and always injured
He doesn’t play defense, rebound, or shoot from outside 3 feet. He’s just an ok passer.
That sounds like a very limited player to me.
That’s before we get into the fact he’s fat and always injured
Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:52 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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He’s played in 23 of 28 games and is averaging 22ppg. We all would have taken that at the beginning of the season.
22ppg is nothing special in today’s NBA. There’s 37 players averaging 22 or better right now.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:13 pm to Balsamic_duck
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There’s 37 players averaging 22 or better right now.
How many do it on 60% fg?
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:17 pm to Delusional
As elite of an offensive player he is, despite his limitations.
That's all negated by the fact he's so annoyingly bad defensively.
If you moved him for another quality 4 like Lauri and a solid center like Kessler, you'd be better off.
That's all negated by the fact he's so annoyingly bad defensively.
If you moved him for another quality 4 like Lauri and a solid center like Kessler, you'd be better off.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:24 pm to htran90
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If you moved him for another quality 4 like Lauri and a solid center like Kessler, you'd be better off.
People do this far too often when it comes to trades.
Lauri and Kessler do shite that make them annoying to fans too. Zion, for as meh as he has been this season, is still more of a net positive than those two.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:26 pm to htran90
Zion was a top 10 player in the NBA when he got hurt last year. Our team was better than we have been at any point in the last 5 years when he got hurt last year. He scored more points quicker than anyone since MJ to begin his career. He has shot over 60% from the field for his career. Y'all are absolutely crazy.
He needs to improve on defense. He needs to improve rebounding. He needed to do those things last year when he was hurt though and we were rolling. The reason these issues are magnified is because of how this coaching staff is choosing to use him offensively. The term I use for last night is "coaching malpractice." Too often this season we have put Zion at the elbow with too few shooters and had him face a wall of defenders. Now we are using him to stand in the corner during fourth quarters. We are scheming him out of his strengths and asking him to contribute only with his weaknesses. Our coaching staff has to figure this out. If our coaching staff continues to treat Brandon Ingram as our best player then we will be 4-5 games above .500 at the end of this season and everyone will bitch about Zion.
He needs to improve on defense. He needs to improve rebounding. He needed to do those things last year when he was hurt though and we were rolling. The reason these issues are magnified is because of how this coaching staff is choosing to use him offensively. The term I use for last night is "coaching malpractice." Too often this season we have put Zion at the elbow with too few shooters and had him face a wall of defenders. Now we are using him to stand in the corner during fourth quarters. We are scheming him out of his strengths and asking him to contribute only with his weaknesses. Our coaching staff has to figure this out. If our coaching staff continues to treat Brandon Ingram as our best player then we will be 4-5 games above .500 at the end of this season and everyone will bitch about Zion.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:27 pm to ThePistol
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Zion was a top 10 player in the NBA when he got hurt last year.
Sure, but to be fair, he has been nowhere near close to that player this season.
He's scored 15 points or less in 5 of his last 8 games.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:11 pm to ThePistol
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Zion was a top 10 player in the NBA when he got hurt last year. Our team was better than we have been at any point in the last 5 years when he got hurt last year. He scored more points quicker than anyone since MJ to begin his career. He has shot over 60% from the field for his career. Y'all are absolutely crazy.
I agree but he’s not that right now. And if he’s not giving you elite scoring then he’s a net negative because he sucks at every other aspect of basketball.
Like the stars have to be fricking aligned for this guy to succeed. He has to be healthy, in shape, and also have a lineup that supports his limitations.
What other superstar needs all that help?
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:26 pm to Balsamic_duck
But he hasn’t had to have the stars aligned to succeed, maybe to stay healthy, but on court has never been an issue. He has been misused all season.
This team made a decision in the summer. They were upfront, honest, and open about it. As a response to Ingram being awful this summer in an off ball role for Team USA, Ingram would have the ball more and be the primary initiator and Zion would be “off ball” and a screener. Zion has never been “off ball” and a screener in his NBA career.
Zion’s minutes are down, we have not allowed him to feast on bench units like he has for the last two seasons he played, and the lack of Trey/Zion minutes is another example of this staff having no clue. They are using him exactly how they did to begin last season when he got off to a slow start. Then, BI got hurt and he and the team took off. The team and staff has this information. They have chosen to go with the less efficient player with the ball in his hands who happens to be the better spacer as the primary initiator and chosen to have Zion stand in the corner and be a trash man on the glass and as a secondary cutter.
This team made a decision in the summer. They were upfront, honest, and open about it. As a response to Ingram being awful this summer in an off ball role for Team USA, Ingram would have the ball more and be the primary initiator and Zion would be “off ball” and a screener. Zion has never been “off ball” and a screener in his NBA career.
Zion’s minutes are down, we have not allowed him to feast on bench units like he has for the last two seasons he played, and the lack of Trey/Zion minutes is another example of this staff having no clue. They are using him exactly how they did to begin last season when he got off to a slow start. Then, BI got hurt and he and the team took off. The team and staff has this information. They have chosen to go with the less efficient player with the ball in his hands who happens to be the better spacer as the primary initiator and chosen to have Zion stand in the corner and be a trash man on the glass and as a secondary cutter.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:27 pm to Balsamic_duck
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He has to be healthy, in shape, and also have a lineup that supports his limitations. What other superstar needs all that help?
Ughhh, every single one?
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:54 pm to ForeverEllisHugh
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He’s played in 23 of 28 games and is averaging 22ppg.
We all would have taken that at the beginning of the season.
Based on what I've seen thus far, I think we are a better team without Zion. When Zion's in, there's little movement, we try to force feed him the ball, or let him play point and bring the ball up and slow up the pace.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:01 pm to ThePistol
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Zion would be “off ball” and a screener. Zion has never been “off ball” and a screener in his NBA career. Zion’s minutes are down
Maybe that’s keeping him healthy and less exposed to injury?
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:18 pm to ThePistol
quote:He was all those things.
Zion was a top 10 player in the NBA when he got hurt last year. Our team was better than we have been at any point in the last 5 years when he got hurt last year. He scored more points quicker than anyone since MJ to begin his career. He has shot over 60% from the field for his career. Y'all are absolutely crazy
He's nowhere near that guy this season.
He was 15th in TS% last season. He's 51st this season.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:20 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:Bingo, it'd no coincidence Zion went from 3 seasons with a very high On/Off, and so far this season we are statistically better when he's off the court. The reason is exactly what you said.
And if he’s not giving you elite scoring then he’s a net negative because he sucks at every other aspect of basketball
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:23 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
quote:What? The problem is we don't remotely do this.
we try to force feed him the ball
quote:We're at our best with the ball in Zion's hands.
or let him play point and bring the ball up and slow up the pace.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:37 pm to shel311
They aren’t giving him the ball enough and when they do, he’s not in the spots that work best for him. We choose to play CJ and BI iso ball late during games and continue to get burned.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:39 pm to shel311
The fact that in year 5 he still, as some one put it in this thread, sucks at every other aspect of basketball besides scoring in the paint is what worries about his/our immediate future the most.
How has he not improved any other facet of his game at all since he entered the league?
How has he not improved any other facet of his game at all since he entered the league?
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