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Posted on 12/15/23 at 5:01 pm to shel311
quote:Someone claimed that Trey should get so much more than Cam because he is so much better than Cam. Had nothing to do with going back in time for Cam and projecting an unknown future for Trey.
Apples to oranges comparing year 2 Trey to year 3 Cam.
Now do year 2 Trey to year 2 Cam, it's not close.
Bottom line is, Trey will get paid, in the $30+ million range. I just do not think he gets the max (which would be in the $40 million range). I think we all agree he is a likely future core piece and will get paid handsomely.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 5:13 pm to NOSHAU
Another reason you have to give Trey whatever amount Trey wants/can get. You sign the man. If for some god-awful stupid reason, you want to not have him on your team for that price you trade him for a King's Ransom.
The thread title should read " Do you think Trey's play will demand a max contract" or something like that.
The thread title should read " Do you think Trey's play will demand a max contract" or something like that.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 5:30 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Bottom line is, Trey will get paid, in the $30+ million range. I just do not think he gets the max (which would be in the $40 million range). I think we all agree he is a likely future core piece and will get paid handsomely.
I agree.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 10:10 pm to yaboidarrell
That play where he got the and 1 off the behind the back crossover as a 6’10” wing who can shoot 42% from fricking Mars should tell you all you need to know about us paying Trey
WE HAVE TO KEEP HIM
WE HAVE TO KEEP HIM
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:12 am to Terrific Tales
Do folks still think Trey will get a max? Sincerely asking.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:14 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
Do folks still think Trey will get a max? Sincerely asking.
Before he was hurt I thought it was a given.
Now it seems like he definitely SHOULD NOT. Having a really rough year, for him, IMO. Especially relative to expectations.
its the NBA though and some real absolute bums have gotten huge deals
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:17 am to Fun Bunch
quote:If he progressed from last year to this year, it was at least be a possibility.
Before he was hurt I thought it was a given.
quote:He'd have to go absolutely bonkers, I'm not even sure it's possible to get back to that being possible at this point. I can't envision a realistic scenario.
Now it seems like he definitely SHOULD NOT
Not sure how it usually plays out for guys of his ilk, but he could also risk it a bit and not extend this offseason, giving him another year next season to earn more of that back if he plays well.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:36 am to yaboidarrell
He’s not a max guy imo. Catch and shoot with unlimited range. Really tall. But can’t dribble and isn’t great on D. I don’t understand the max contract angle with him
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:43 am to shel311
I think Trey, not the Pels has a decision to make this offseason.
I think we'll obviously offer him an extension. It'll be a Cam Johnson type contract.
And just to point out, Cam's first year is 19% of the salary cap, but his salary decreases in year 2 and 3 (16% and 14%), and is 14% in year 4 with a slight increase over year 3.
An equivalent contract would be around 4/$100-105M
Trey may have ideas that he can improve on that, and even if he simply stayed the same but signed a 4 year deal a year later when the cap goes up again, he could get maybe 4/$115M, assuming he has an ok year averaging 14ppg and near 40% shooting.
Improvement for Trey would mean forcing himself into that 4th man on the team that has to be on the court down the stretch of games. I'm not sure that's a role he can actually get to consdering Herb's shooting, and i doubt he becomes our 4/5 with Zion even though that's the ideal lineup.
If i were him, i'd aim for a Cam Johnson type extension, the 4/$100M maybe a few million more, and i'd sign it. That's life changing money guaranteed, and he's got 4 more years to improve upon his game and sign a bigger contract next time. Jaylen Brown pretty much did the same thing, although he signed for a bit more than that Cam Johnson equivalent deal. and Jaylen and Trey are near the same age at the time of signing that extension, so no need to worry that Trey can't get to that max level on his next contract.
I think we'll obviously offer him an extension. It'll be a Cam Johnson type contract.
And just to point out, Cam's first year is 19% of the salary cap, but his salary decreases in year 2 and 3 (16% and 14%), and is 14% in year 4 with a slight increase over year 3.
An equivalent contract would be around 4/$100-105M
Trey may have ideas that he can improve on that, and even if he simply stayed the same but signed a 4 year deal a year later when the cap goes up again, he could get maybe 4/$115M, assuming he has an ok year averaging 14ppg and near 40% shooting.
Improvement for Trey would mean forcing himself into that 4th man on the team that has to be on the court down the stretch of games. I'm not sure that's a role he can actually get to consdering Herb's shooting, and i doubt he becomes our 4/5 with Zion even though that's the ideal lineup.
If i were him, i'd aim for a Cam Johnson type extension, the 4/$100M maybe a few million more, and i'd sign it. That's life changing money guaranteed, and he's got 4 more years to improve upon his game and sign a bigger contract next time. Jaylen Brown pretty much did the same thing, although he signed for a bit more than that Cam Johnson equivalent deal. and Jaylen and Trey are near the same age at the time of signing that extension, so no need to worry that Trey can't get to that max level on his next contract.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:48 am to ScoopAndScore
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He’s not a max guy imo. Catch and shoot with unlimited range. Really tall. But can’t dribble and isn’t great on D. I don’t understand the max contract angle with him
Anyone who thought Trey should get a max contract would agree that Tobias Harris is a max player as well and that was a good contract.
And Tobias Harris is better than Trey.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 11:15 am to TeddyPadillac
The issue with Trey right now is that he hasn’t developed his game enough in the offseason to be a plus player while being in a shooting slump. He’s for the most part an average defender, average rebounder, and average 2pt scorer off of cuts and closeouts. His first two years he was an elite shooter, and he just happens to be in a shooting slump at the moment.
If he either continued to shoot or was still projected by our FO to be a >42% 3 point shooter while having the intangibles and athletisicm he possesses, then yes he can be a high contract level player (not max/supermax level obviously). The whole point of him possibly being a max guy after 4 years was based on defensive upside and offensive development while maintaining the elite 3 point shooting, which to be fair, he hasn’t shown this year
If he either continued to shoot or was still projected by our FO to be a >42% 3 point shooter while having the intangibles and athletisicm he possesses, then yes he can be a high contract level player (not max/supermax level obviously). The whole point of him possibly being a max guy after 4 years was based on defensive upside and offensive development while maintaining the elite 3 point shooting, which to be fair, he hasn’t shown this year
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:07 pm to shel311
You can't pay him 48 mil.
Doesn't matter cause that's never going to happen anyway.
Murphy wants to stay in nola. I'm sure he will be happy with 30 mil ns keep it moving. He doesn't strike me as the type of person to ask for something outrageous like 48mil.
At that point you would have to trade him.
Doesn't matter cause that's never going to happen anyway.
Murphy wants to stay in nola. I'm sure he will be happy with 30 mil ns keep it moving. He doesn't strike me as the type of person to ask for something outrageous like 48mil.
At that point you would have to trade him.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:09 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
, idk what he’s worth, but I definitely wouldn’t let him walk. I’d be exploring ways to offload CJ, Ingram or Zion before I let Trey Murphy walk over $5M-$10M a year.
How is 30 to 48 mil only 5 or 10mil a year difference?
I agree I'm not letting him go over 5 mil.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:24 pm to Chalkywhite84
Where are you getting 48 mil?
The most he could be paid in the first year of a contract is 25%, which is somewhere around 35 million (maybe a bit more because it would kick in the following year).
The most he could be paid in the first year of a contract is 25%, which is somewhere around 35 million (maybe a bit more because it would kick in the following year).
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:25 pm to Chalkywhite84
For what it's worth, they said on pre-game that Trey is trying to stress shooting his threes right behind the line, instead of from five feet behind the line like he has done most of the season. I've been screaming for that change all year, you don't get extra points for degree of difficulty.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think there’s some confusion among some of our fans with what the rookie extension max is
Last year Desmond Bane, Hali, and Ant Edwards all signed some version of it and it is estimated at 5 for 200 million with escalators if you hit All-NBA or whatever
Those guys are all 20 PPG all-star caliber players. Trey was never getting to that level with his current role on the team. He was never a serious candidate to earn 40+ million a year averaging 13 PPG or whatever coming off the bench and spot starting when one of our forwards sits
Last year Devin Vassell and Jaden McDaniels both signed similar deals in the 5/135 and 5/131 range. That’s what Trey will get. Probably more like 30 million a season due to cap inflation. That’s going to be the going rate for guys in his range of “good young player with potential to be great”. It is what it is.
Last year Desmond Bane, Hali, and Ant Edwards all signed some version of it and it is estimated at 5 for 200 million with escalators if you hit All-NBA or whatever
Those guys are all 20 PPG all-star caliber players. Trey was never getting to that level with his current role on the team. He was never a serious candidate to earn 40+ million a year averaging 13 PPG or whatever coming off the bench and spot starting when one of our forwards sits
Last year Devin Vassell and Jaden McDaniels both signed similar deals in the 5/135 and 5/131 range. That’s what Trey will get. Probably more like 30 million a season due to cap inflation. That’s going to be the going rate for guys in his range of “good young player with potential to be great”. It is what it is.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:34 pm to DallasTiger45
LOL at this thread after Trey benched tonight in favor of Robinson-Earl.
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:39 pm to MetryMauler
quote:
LOL at this thread after Trey benched tonight in favor of Robinson-Earl.
Which was dumb af by Willie
We needed offense and idc if Trey had missed a million 3’s in a row, he’s a better option on that end than JRE
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