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Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:10 am
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
1853 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:10 am
money invested with one brokerage? Is there even such a thing? talking about Vanguard.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38423 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:17 am to
Why do you think this would matter?

Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
5445 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:31 am to
quote:

Why do you think this would matter?

I've wondered the same thing before. For me, I have all my accounts through etrade. What if there is another financial meltdown a la 2008? You had some huge institutions disappear overnight - Wachovia, Bear Sterns, etc.

So if that happens again and etrade goes the way of the dodo bird, what happens to all of my investment accounts?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26045 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 9:41 am to
A lot of large investors have multiple accounts.

When you don't know who is best for you, you can diversify and track results/service. Weigh the majority of the volume on the best hired hand.
Posted by bovine1
Member since Dec 2004
1358 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:41 am to
Vanguard brokerage has $500,000 of SIPC coverage on each account. In the case of insolvency listed securities recovered will be transferred to another broker. That coverage is for unrecoverable securities. There is a $250,00 0 limit on cash. I don't know why anybody would keep that much cash in a brokerage account. These firms are audited regularly. Other than outright fraud I don't know how your securities could not be recovered. These are my thoughts and understanding. I stand ready to be corrected and enlightened.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25028 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 10:45 am to
Even if the firm 'goes under' the underlying assets are still owned.
Posted by Jmcc64
alabama
Member since Apr 2021
1853 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 11:04 am to
and I have 4 separate accounts so that would be 2 mil SIPC
coverage aggregate if it came to that.
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
3097 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:06 pm to
quote:

Even if the firm 'goes under' the underlying assets are still owned.


What happens to say like the vanguard managed mutual funds if vanguard went out?
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2920 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 12:51 pm to
By consolidating most my accounts under a single firm I was able to negotiate a substantially lower loan rate. I dont see much advantage to spreading accounts other than maybe having easy access if one brokerage is temporarily inaccessible.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/11/23 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
Member since Oct 2016
4024 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:02 pm to
We have a chunk of cash at Morgan Stanley AAA account. It’s me and my wife as depositors. It’s basically 2 banks in one which doubles the amount covered by SIPC. $250,000 coverage per depositor per account so we are covered to $1,000,000. It’s actually split evenly between 2 banks This is outside of retirement accounts.
I suppose if we exceed that at MS we would go to another bank. It would sure be a nice problem to have.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
4326 posts
Posted on 12/11/23 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

What happens to say like the vanguard managed mutual funds if vanguard went out?

Unless there is fraud, the underlying assets funding their mutual fund should still be there.
Posted by Sir Saint
1 post
Member since Jun 2010
5469 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 9:46 am to
If Vanguard or Fidelity go under, you have much bigger problems than whatever money is in your brokerage acct.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:17 am to
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There is a $250,00 0 limit on cash. I don't know why anybody would keep that much cash in a brokerage account.


Professional “Trader Tax Status” traders (especially options and futures traders) will keep larger than average cash balances for margin and/or buying power reduction reasons. If we hold positions longer term for dividend, interest or (longer term) appreciation, our IRS status may be disqualified and we’re considered “investors”.

But I agree with you, in that if Vanguard, or any of the major brokerages were to go under (brokerages, not investment banks), we’d have MUCH bigger things to worry about than just what would happen to our shares or cash. I’d be offering TD Money Talk posters a 20% discount to hunt deer on my land (just gotta bring your own rifle… but you will have to purchase the ammo from the Jag_Warrior Ammo Store ).
Posted by bovine1
Member since Dec 2004
1358 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:57 pm to
Interesting. They won't let you park it in a MMF settlement fund? I once held a TBill for margin in a futures brokerage account. Lady called one morning threatening me if I didn't wire them money to get current they were going to liquidate my position. I just let her rant and rave and when she took a breath I said " What happened to my TBill". She said " Oh sorry, I didn't see it sitting there".
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4292 posts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 6:51 pm to
Yeah, a certain amount of interest will be gained from the sweep account. But as for holding actual securities such as T-bills, notes, etc., I doubt it, but I can’t say for certain. The advice I was given was to establish a separate trading account where I would hold or trade stocks, ETFs, T-notes, bills, etc. That’s what I did (at the same brokerage).

So probably a better course in my case (to protect that tax status) would be to transfer whatever free cash that I’d look to gain interest on into that new account and buy notes or bills with it. And then transfer it back & forth to the TTS account as need be for buying power/margin purposes. Since that account will have mark-to-market requirements, I want to keep that one as clean & simple as possible.
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