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Mike Johnson Killing the HB 813 Bill
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:48 am
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:48 am
Two weeks ago the House passed HB 813 to abolish abortion in the state of Louisiana. Mike Johnson in large part is responsible for killing this bill. When politicians profess their faith publicly and profess how pro-life they are, in the end rule on the side of: “republicans won’t win elections if we do this” or “now is not the time.” Mike even threatened pastor Brian Gunter and Danny McCormick on the future of their respective careers.
Let us all ask this question: When is the right time to really abolish abortion? Who cares about elections, be courageous and do the right thing and stand for those who can’t! Babies born and unborn should have equal protection.
The bottom line is, left or right, they’re all alike. They just want POWER. It’s a shame that no one can can do what they say they’ll do for fears of losing elections.
Let us all ask this question: When is the right time to really abolish abortion? Who cares about elections, be courageous and do the right thing and stand for those who can’t! Babies born and unborn should have equal protection.
The bottom line is, left or right, they’re all alike. They just want POWER. It’s a shame that no one can can do what they say they’ll do for fears of losing elections.
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:51 am to 2014Tigers
It does no one any benefit to make an unelectable issue a core part of your platform. Regardless of how you personally feel about it, the American public has expressed that they feel differently on abortion.
If Republicans want to tie their success to banning abortion they will lose almost every election going forward, meaning Democrats will have free reign to shape the country to their liking.
If Republicans want to tie their success to banning abortion they will lose almost every election going forward, meaning Democrats will have free reign to shape the country to their liking.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:51 am to 2014Tigers
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When is the right time to really abolish abortion?
Haha. No one's forcing you to get an abortion.
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Who cares about elections, be courageous and do the right thing and stand for those who can’t
That's the spirit. frick elections. We need to force people to bend to your will.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:53 am to Thundercles
Agreed, at this point, it is an election losing issue for the Republicans.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:54 am to 2014Tigers
I'm sick of gutless politicians and citizens who are too afraid of doing what is right because of "electability". If this country is moving progressive, I'm not going to turn into a progressive to be elected, and I'm not going to vote for progressives because they might be a little better than the others that they will vote along side of.
I'd rather lose every election going forward than betray my Christian principles.
I'd rather lose every election going forward than betray my Christian principles.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:56 am to FooManChoo
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doing what is right
In your fricking opinion man.
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I'd rather lose every election going forward than betray my Christian principles.
Maybe this brave new world is a bit much for you. Perhaps you should consider a monastery.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 9:56 am to FooManChoo
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I'd rather lose every election going forward than betray my Christian principles.
And that is certainly your right, just be prepared to lose every election and reap the consequences that will come with losing.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:05 am to Thundercles
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It does no one any benefit to make an unelectable issue a core part of your platform. Regardless of how you personally feel about it, the American public has expressed that they feel differently on abortion.
If Republicans want to tie their success to banning abortion they will lose almost every election going forward, meaning Democrats will have free reign to shape the country to their liking.
Spot on assessment.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:05 am to 2014Tigers
I can understand the need to consider the prospect of long term victory. I suppose if you look at it like dropping the bombs on Japan. It is impossible to say the decision to drop the bomb didn't create a massive moral dilemma. Do we make a decision to sacrifice thousands of innocent civilians in order to win down the road in a war than needs to be won? For many, history seems to bare out that it was a necessary evil. Are you comfortable saying it consistent with "Christian principles" to agree with targeting and dropping the bomb on Japanese civilians? If not, do you 100% think it should not have been done?
I suppose if you 100% believe killing all of those innocent Japanese civilians in order to end the war with then is unacceptable, then yes, I think your stance is consistent and I can respect it.
If you do think the morally gray decision to dropping the bomb was needed to win the larger war, then I think it is hard to say Mike Johnson is 100% wrong for his tactic.
If allowing the bill to go through loses the war down the road, what did it really accomplish? I don't know what the answer is I can't sit here and say the stance that Mike Johnson is taking is 100% good or 100% evil.
I suppose if you 100% believe killing all of those innocent Japanese civilians in order to end the war with then is unacceptable, then yes, I think your stance is consistent and I can respect it.
If you do think the morally gray decision to dropping the bomb was needed to win the larger war, then I think it is hard to say Mike Johnson is 100% wrong for his tactic.
If allowing the bill to go through loses the war down the road, what did it really accomplish? I don't know what the answer is I can't sit here and say the stance that Mike Johnson is taking is 100% good or 100% evil.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:06 am to 2014Tigers
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When is the right time to really abolish abortion?
Never. Your stupid stance will guarantee abortion on demand without any limitations.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:07 am to El Segundo Guy
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In your fricking opinion man.
Well ……..yeah. That’s how the world works.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:14 am to 2014Tigers
Abortion does not fit into Article 1: Section 8 of the Constitution, and thus is not an issue over which Congress has any authority. As such, Abortion is an issue for State Governments to exercise their authority over. In addition to being an electoral loser for the GOP at the national level, Congress outlawing abortion is blatantly Unconstitutional.
The “right” thing done the wrong way is the wrong action as it merely paves the way for doing the wrong thing the wrong way.
The “right” thing done the wrong way is the wrong action as it merely paves the way for doing the wrong thing the wrong way.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:14 am to Flats
So who's definition of "right" are we going to go off of? Seems to me voters have a differing opinion.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:17 am to El Segundo Guy
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So who's definition of "right" are we going to go off of?
Typically the majority. Not because it’s perfect, but there just isn’t a better way outside of a benevolent dictator, and those don’t really exist.
In any event, everybody wants the laws to reflect their values, so it’s an odd thing to attempt to use as a pejorative.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:19 am to Thundercles
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If Republicans want to tie their success to banning abortion they will lose almost every election going forward, meaning Democrats will have free reign to shape the country to their liking.
Which means post birth abortion would be legal
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:20 am to PeleofAnalytics
It was absolutely morally wrong to kill that many innocent civilians in Japan. I’m not a strategist on how to win wars and such. My whole point is, if you go on national television and in hearings professing your faith and then deny the very thing you have publicly stated(the word of God) then you care more about pleasing man than you do God.
I believe it’s cowardly to only want a certain side to win elections over protecting the unborn. Politics and elections won’t change my faith and you can do or say whatever it is you want to try and justify winning elections, but I won’t.
I believe it’s cowardly to only want a certain side to win elections over protecting the unborn. Politics and elections won’t change my faith and you can do or say whatever it is you want to try and justify winning elections, but I won’t.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:21 am to 2014Tigers
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Who cares about elections,
People within this discussion should care about winning elections. What will you accomplish if you lose elections?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:21 am to 2014Tigers
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Two weeks ago the House passed HB 813 to abolish abortion in the state of Louisiana.
It was not two weeks ago and it only passed out of a house committee
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:23 am to 2014Tigers
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It was absolutely morally wrong to kill that many innocent civilians in Japan.
That’s quite a claim. The rest of your post is begging the question.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 10:25 am to 2014Tigers
You want the Democrats to sweep the House, Senate, and Presidency well this Abortion issue will do it. It will pull women out of their homes in droves and towards the voting booth. Let this issue die on the vine.
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