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Is there any hope for the right to build a coalition?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:02 am
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:02 am
The right seems to be fragmented pretty severely along a few lines with some overlap...
1) MAGA/Trump populist wing... Trump
2) Social Conservative/Christian wing... DeSantis
3) Libertarian wing...Vivek
4) Neo-con, interventionalist wing... Haley
5) Liberal/moderate, Neo-liberal, corporatist wing... Christie
I personally reside in the 1, 2, and 3 categories with overlap. Trump has done his best to isolate the DeSantis supporters, and quite frankly DeSantis and his team have done a poor job at courting Trump supporters if he were to actually defeat Trump. But either way, both canidates are flawed, but I can't stand the idea of handimg the future of America over to Biden another 4 years all because of someones fee fees getting hurt. Politics is ugly, and often personal. Hopefully grown men can sack up and get over it and do what is best for the country.
1) MAGA/Trump populist wing... Trump
2) Social Conservative/Christian wing... DeSantis
3) Libertarian wing...Vivek
4) Neo-con, interventionalist wing... Haley
5) Liberal/moderate, Neo-liberal, corporatist wing... Christie
I personally reside in the 1, 2, and 3 categories with overlap. Trump has done his best to isolate the DeSantis supporters, and quite frankly DeSantis and his team have done a poor job at courting Trump supporters if he were to actually defeat Trump. But either way, both canidates are flawed, but I can't stand the idea of handimg the future of America over to Biden another 4 years all because of someones fee fees getting hurt. Politics is ugly, and often personal. Hopefully grown men can sack up and get over it and do what is best for the country.
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Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:10 am to burger bearcat
No. There’s no reconciliation forthcoming.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:18 am to burger bearcat
You understand this is primary season? Now is not the “come together and unify “ time. Now is the crush your opponent time.
Whoever wins the nomination will have the job of unifying the party.
Whoever wins the nomination will have the job of unifying the party.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:19 am to burger bearcat
A coalition has been made: the neocons have joined the democrats.
The right will have to replace them by poaching a significant piece of the left’s coalition. The obvious choice is private sector labor unions. Making in-roads in the black community to reduce their lockstep habits from 95/5 to closer to 80/20 and getting more second generation Hispanic voters to the polls could make all of the difference.
The right will have to replace them by poaching a significant piece of the left’s coalition. The obvious choice is private sector labor unions. Making in-roads in the black community to reduce their lockstep habits from 95/5 to closer to 80/20 and getting more second generation Hispanic voters to the polls could make all of the difference.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:24 am to burger bearcat
Your groups 2-5 will likely come together.
The problem is 1 wants nothing to do with anyone in 2-5, and the people in 2-5 are tied of the people in 1 causing the lsoses to pile up.
There's more people in group 1 than in each of groups 2-5, but groups 2-5 collectively have more people than group 1.
But there's not enough people in group 1 to win consistently across the country, and they look at those in groups 2-5 the same way they look at Democrats.
The problem is 1 wants nothing to do with anyone in 2-5, and the people in 2-5 are tied of the people in 1 causing the lsoses to pile up.
There's more people in group 1 than in each of groups 2-5, but groups 2-5 collectively have more people than group 1.
But there's not enough people in group 1 to win consistently across the country, and they look at those in groups 2-5 the same way they look at Democrats.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:25 am to BigJim
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Whoever wins the nomination will have the job of unifying the party.
That usually involves an olive branch out to the losing groups, with a promise to take the best of their ideas and bring it into the fold.
In what ways do you think Trump has any desire, or even capacity, to do this?
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:26 am to burger bearcat
As things stand right now… no. Next November as things become more serious in nature as we stare down the prospect of another dem winning and God only knows about Congress things might change. I hope they change and change soon because if we aren’t unified we have zero shot at winning enough of the independent voters we need. It kills me because I’m a lifelong California resident and have seen the damage as the shift leftward has taken hold. We can’t afford getting ours butts whipped next year. I usually roll my eyes at “this is the most important election” trope but I think next year it actually is. There’s been such a change that has happened in society that another nudge to the left is going to change things to a much greater extent than we’ve seen so far.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:37 am to burger bearcat
I don’t feel like MAGA gives two shits about being Republican. I feel it’s a third party that is quite effectively eating the Republican Party from the inside. Libertarian/Vivek would, imo, fit firmly in the MAGA.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:40 am to LSUFanHouston
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But there's not enough people in group 1 to win consistently across the country, and they look at those in groups 2-5 the same way they look at Democrats.
I disagree. Every Trump fan I know (about everyone I know IRL) will vote GOP regardless to stop the Dem move toward communism.
I keep reading about these 'Trump or no one' voters but I've never met one.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:48 am to Zach
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A coalition has been made: the neocons have joined the democrats.
The right will have to replace them by poaching a significant piece of the left’s coalition. The obvious choice is private sector labor unions. Making in-roads in the black community to reduce their lockstep habits from 95/5 to closer to 80/20 and getting more second generation Hispanic voters to the polls could make all of the difference.
This is accurate and happening. Which is why the Neocons/GOPe still in the party keep sabotaging things.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 11:51 am to LSUFanHouston
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Your groups 2-5 will likely come together
You think the libertarians are interested in group 4 (NeoCons)? Or the social conservatives will link with the very pro-gay, pro-baby killing Christian hating group 5?
The hope is groups 1 thorough 3 link up, and we can coerce 4 and 5 to come along and hold their noses.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:00 pm to kingbob
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The right will have to replace them by poaching a significant piece of the left’s coalition. The obvious choice is private sector labor unions.
Lmao...so you think accommodating the demands of public sector labor unions in exchange for neocons is a good swap?
Lawd...
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:30 pm to BigJim
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Now is the crush your opponent time.
Alternatively, you could whine about how everyone should just drop out and let you win without a single vote being cast.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:34 pm to burger bearcat
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burger bearcat
No limited government Rand Paul types which is 10-15% of the party. List is shat.
This post was edited on 11/27/23 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:41 pm to burger bearcat
Trump built a coalition. It’s rejected bc Muh True Conservative
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:43 pm to burger bearcat
1/2 are the most similar. 95% of DeSantis supporters likely voted for Trump in the last two general elections and DeSantis had been a darling of the MAGA wing until he challenged its leader.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:45 pm to Wednesday
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It’s rejected bc Muh True Conservative
Trump has been shatting on conservatives for a while now. He has to earn their votes.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:48 pm to Zach
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I disagree. Every Trump fan I know (about everyone I know IRL) will vote GOP regardless to stop the Dem move toward communism. I keep reading about these 'Trump or no one' voters but I've never met one.
Exactly, it’s a total lie. We’ve always been here voting for Republicans whether we liked them or not. I even voted for that count Romney. Now I’m in a “cult” according to these asshats on here for supporting Trump.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:50 pm to BigJim
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You understand this is primary season?
The stakes are so high, and the margin is so large, we should already be consolidated behind one candidate.
But, it is what it is. This primary is going to be prolonged.
I don't expect a unification. Whether they admit it or not, there are a LOT of never trumpers within the party. The primary gives them cover. But, the negative rhetoric won't stop, even if all candidates bowed out.
Posted on 11/27/23 at 1:52 pm to LSUFanHouston
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There's more people in group 1 than in each of groups 2-5, but groups 2-5 collectively have more people than group 1.
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