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The IB solution to Social Security should be reviewed once again

Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:18 am
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:18 am
I state a topic on this because it is buried in a thread concerning Haley's statement about raising SS age.

IMHO, it needs its own discussion. I would vote for Trump if he promised to do this.

The IBFreeman solution to SS is more than the average politician can ponder but it is simple and solves the entire program. (you can tell by the number of downvotes this gets the number of posters here that cannot grasp concepts at the same level as the average politician--)

1) Benefits stay the same

2) benefits are funded by a national sales tax that will be adjusted every year to pay the amount projected to be paid

3) employees will be required to save 5% of their payroll and employers match it. There will no longer be a payroll tax saving employers and employees the 7.5% currently in place. This saving can be directed to private accounts including 20 year CDs that pay at least 3% interest at FDIC banks (the banks can count a portion of these CDs as capital instead of debt so these CDs would be hybrid debt/equity vehicles)

4) retirees cannot begin drawing Social Security until the savings described in number 3 are withdrawn at the SS monthly rate. SS then becomes a stop gap for the savings instead of a pure welfare payment.

The advantages to everybody of the IB plan are:

1) immediately there will be a lag in paying benefits as new retirees will have some savings they will have to spend first. As the program gets older this will be very significant. In 10 years I project the average age of new people first drawing the now stopgap SS will be over 75 even though they will have retired at 65. In twenty years most people will never have to draw SS and will have more money in saving than they will draw in retirement creating an estate. This will do more to eliminate generational poverty than any previous government program.

2) the US treasury can immediately repatriate the SS trust fund and the debt it holds---the largest single holder of US debt--and will have in one swoop eliminated a tremendous amount of interest payments in the current budget.

3) in theory if the politicians do not squander the sales tax will be near zero in 10 years to fund this.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 11:24 am
Posted by B2BWWchamps
Jasper, FL
Member since Aug 2023
649 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:20 am to
quote:

IMHO, it needs its own discussion. I would vote for Trump if he promised to do this.


if? you think you are in position to make demands like this…..lol
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:22 am to
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you think you are in position to make demands like this…..lol


To get my vote?---of course I am in the position to do so. Just like your vote, mine matters very little.
Posted by B2BWWchamps
Jasper, FL
Member since Aug 2023
649 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:22 am to
quote:

mine matters very little.


exactly, remember it
Posted by B2BWWchamps
Jasper, FL
Member since Aug 2023
649 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:24 am to
how about this? you vote for trump and he makes the country thrive like his four years before

is that not enough for you?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:25 am to
stay on topic or post in another thread
Posted by Emmitt Fitzhume
West of South Vacherie
Member since May 2010
182 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:26 am to
Add the additional provision:

No one can collect SS benefits unless they actually put into the system for more than 25 years. The only exception being a spouse, minor or disabled child of the person who paid into the system.
Posted by B2BWWchamps
Jasper, FL
Member since Aug 2023
649 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:26 am to
this is the topic, you made it the topic with your demands of Don

don’t start a topic if you can’t handle criticism
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29188 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:27 am to
IB thinking this is manure.
Posted by self_service
Member since Oct 2016
621 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:27 am to
The whole concept of social security is a pyramid scheme. You don’t “pay into” SS and get it back. You are paying for other people’s SS, then young people will pay for yours, and so on. But declining birth rates requires more immigration and more warm bodies to pump money into an inherently unsustainable practice
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89622 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:27 am to
I don't want to just shite on anything constructive, but your naivete is glaring.

Regardless of what should happen, in all likelihood, what will happen is some combination:

1. Bump to payroll tax
2. Slide full retirement age (by age cohort) to 70 over a 5-year band, likely hitting younger Xers the hardest.
3. Means testing and/or increased taxes on SS benefits for the "wealthy"

Nothing in your proposal has any traction with the folks who will "fix" SS.
This post was edited on 11/15/23 at 11:28 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68241 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:29 am to
Raising the age should be on the table, but you can't put it on the table and expect to win an election.

Thank you universal suffrage!

Posted by B2BWWchamps
Jasper, FL
Member since Aug 2023
649 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:29 am to
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naivete is glaring.


^^^^^^
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57827 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:44 am to
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The IBFreeman solution


Did you go see your idol Xi in San Fran this week?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48712 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:46 am to
quote:

how about this? you vote for trump and he makes the country thrive like his four years before


IB is a china fan.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
10418 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:47 am to
At what point would a 48 year old person who has paid into SS for say 25 years start being responsible for saving amount you deemed required to collect SS knowing he has a minimum of 17 years in front of him dropping his current payment to 5% match ? 1st of all the whole SS system is a scheme not a solution. It was raided years ago of funding and government has to borrow money plus pay interest just to make current payments. It’s sole issue is not the funding but rather the politicians who cause inflationary problems with a dose of lawyers unjustly giving corporations reasons to have price hikes to maintain profits. Since borrowing money is needed for paying SS I would suggest ending paycheck reductions at an age where workers have a savings account that is restricted in drawing out till retirement. For the disability benefits private insurers can be used which should cut down on false claims
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
2154 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 11:50 am to
Make an optional, heavily tax advantaged investment account. Some percentage of it goes into savings, the rest into the market, and the amount that goes into which can fluctuate based on market conditions. You have to incentivize people to work longer, so maybe the amount taxed upon withdrawal lowers as you age.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
5828 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:13 pm to
How about you give me back all the money I pay it into the system and relinquish me from any future obligations to pay into the system. In return, I will take care of my own retirement.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11500 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:17 pm to
Break out the numbers. Everything sounds good when you don't include the numbers. Show us the math.

In God we trust, all others bring data.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11500 posts
Posted on 11/15/23 at 12:19 pm to
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But declining birth rates requires more immigration and more warm bodies to pump money into an inherently unsustainable practice


We lose $150B/yr on the invasion at the border.
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