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re: Mathews 24’ Hunting Bow - Lift
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:05 pm to Loup
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:05 pm to Loup
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It's around 8 FPS more on the IBO and half a lb lighter.
They do claim the new cam is quieter and smoother, but it’s SOP to say that every year. The biggest difference is it’s an aluminum bow that weighs the same or less than a carbon. I don’t have a dog in that hunt since a lot of people who really like carbon say it’s because their hands don’t get cold, but on paper it its also why mathews is able to charge less than the other flagships, it’s cheaper to manufacture. That, and for the last few years it’s been an accepted fact that the first thing you’ll do is strip off the factory strings and replace with $150+ aftermarket ones, so that they’re shipping with a premium string without jacking up the price is a nice touch.
Mathews LIFT 29.5 29.5" ATA 3.99 lbs $1329
Mathews LIFT 33 33" ATA 4.28 lbs $1429
Hoyt RX-8 30" ATA 4 lbs $2049
Hoyt RX-8 Ultra 34.7" ATA 4.4 lbs $1949
Bowtech Carbon One 30" ATA 4.5 lbs $1799
Elite Era 31.25" ATA 3.95 lbs $1799
PSE Nock On Levitate 32.25" ATA 3.6 lbs $1899
PSE Mach 34 34" ATA 3.65 lbs $1799
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:28 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Also it’s $50 for a top hat kit and $60 for each mod. “Switchweight X technological advancement” means your old bucket of mods are useless. I have no doubt this thing shoots, I want to love Mathews but the lack of adjustability makes me not care about their offerings.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:49 pm to bigbuckdj
Podium archer on YouTube has a very good review of the two bows. The top hat system is the same. He gave it a 3/5 for tune-ability bc of that system. Almost gave it a 2 compared to other systems.
With 85% lo mods, he avg 331fps. Ibo is 348. He claims with 80% mods it should be a 335 avg which is still 13 fps slower than advertised. So he deducted some points for that.
With 85% lo mods, he avg 331fps. Ibo is 348. He claims with 80% mods it should be a 335 avg which is still 13 fps slower than advertised. So he deducted some points for that.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:52 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
It has been an issue with the “old” axle mounting system causes the axle bearing to go out if over tightened. This new system is supposed to prevent over tightening
Posted on 11/14/23 at 2:58 pm to Success
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With 85% lo mods, he avg 331fps. Ibo is 348. He claims with 80% mods it should be a 335 avg which is still 13 fps slower than advertised. So he deducted some points for that.
Someone pointed out that his review of last years phase 4 was the same speed.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 3:01 pm to Success
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With 85% lo mods, he avg 331fps. Ibo is 348. He claims with 80% mods it should be a 335 avg which is still 13 fps slower than advertised. So he deducted some points for that.
If someone is buying a bow for speed, I’d challenge them to put a loop and peep on the string and shoot their hunting arrow through a chrono. The speeds are just all over the map compared to IBO. Put them on a draw board too, some of them are 1/2-3/4 inch off. The published numbers just don’t mean much.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 3:22 pm to bigbuckdj
I get it and I don’t sell the things, but realistically how much are you changing your draw length? A shop will trade them out for less than buying the mod, and most will do it for free when you’re trying out the bow to make sure it fits you. Same goes for top hats, which nowadays hardly ever need to be touched. These bows now (not just mathews) are coming out of the box and being tuned with small adjustments to the rest and prettymuch nothing else, even with all the crazy arrow weight and spine combos people are throwing at them.
IMO it’s not that big of a deal to buy one extra mod if you want to have a different setup for elk, turkey, etc. The selling point is that you don’t need a press and unless you’ve made a major change it will require only minor adjustments to the rest to get it back in tune, and everything I’ve seen and read since they rolled out these mods says that’s true. Most guys are saying going from 60 to 70 didn’t affect tuning at all.
IMO it’s not that big of a deal to buy one extra mod if you want to have a different setup for elk, turkey, etc. The selling point is that you don’t need a press and unless you’ve made a major change it will require only minor adjustments to the rest to get it back in tune, and everything I’ve seen and read since they rolled out these mods says that’s true. Most guys are saying going from 60 to 70 didn’t affect tuning at all.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 4:57 pm to bigbuckdj
What bows out there are easiest to tune without a press? I didn't kow you could adjust cam lean on some without a press. I would be interested in getting something different from my VXR 31.5 that has a longer axle to axle that I can adjust fully and tinker more at home when changing arrow set ups.
However I love my VXR from a feel stand point. Its a great bow to shoot consistently.
However I love my VXR from a feel stand point. Its a great bow to shoot consistently.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 5:35 pm to JohnDoe00
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but realistically how much are you changing your draw length?
I’m easily the minority in this but I change releases a lot and I mess w my letoff and draw length a couple times a year probably. I could do without it. I agree about the shop changing them out along w top hats, they are just frustrating to tune with. The huge plus of their system to me is that it holds a tune forever. I just don’t know how you’d look at the adjustability of other systems and choose to subject yourself to a shop visit to change almost anything on your bow. I’m just sky screaming for Mathews to make a bow that’s easier to tinker with for guys at home.
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What bows out there are easiest to tune without a press?
There’s a number of them with good systems right now. Elite with the set system allows you to adjust the tilt of the limb pockets, how tight the cables pull into the riser, let off and draw length to 1/4”. Bowtech has deadlock to adjust cams horizontally, time lock to adjust cam timing, grip something to adjust grip position, flip lock to go between comfort and performance, and draw length on a sliding mod similar to elite. PSE has ez220 spacers which isn’t much better but you don’t have to take the cam off.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:49 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Bottomland is a new color offered. Take my money now!
Posted on 11/15/23 at 10:52 am to bigbuckdj
I guess I have been lucky. I have not had to tune a bow since my Ultramax, and I am pretty sure that was entirely the string's fault.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 2:03 pm to bigbuckdj
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If someone is buying a bow for speed, I’d challenge them to put a loop and peep on the string and shoot their hunting arrow through a chrono. The speeds are just all over the map compared to IBO. Put them on a draw board too, some of them are 1/2-3/4 inch off. The published numbers just don’t mean much.
Bingo, I like MFJJ but like a lot of guys who have been working on bows for years he confuses IBO for ATA speed, 350gr/70lb/30in, since they were prettymuch the same thing forever. IBO is a set of tournament rules, not a testing standard, and they say you can go up to 80lbs and 33” draw which up until recently bows just couldn’t do. You can also strip all the weight off the string, fletchings off the arrow, and crank an extra 2lbs into the limbs. IBO has never been a good way to compare bows, but it’s prettymuch useless now.
Posted on 11/15/23 at 6:15 pm to Loup
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I shot a few other flagships when I bought it and there wasn't a major difference between them. All shot well the main thing was ergonomics and such. I've just always shot Mathews so I stuck with that.
I’m the same way, shot most of the flagship bows, but I’m a Hoyt fan, so I ordered an RX8 Ultra yesterday.
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