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re: ATL Thread | 2023 offseason hot takes + discussion
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:59 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:59 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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but all of the insiders and beat reporters say the same thing about Ozzie; that he is the emotional leader in that clubhouse and that he is the guy that hols the others accountable.
Every locker room has someone like that, sometimes multiple guys. Not everyone has a Harper, David Ortiz, or a Jeter. There is clearly a difference and Ozzie just isn't that type of leader.
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:03 pm to RunningJacket
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I just don’t get as worked up as others do if someone has a different opinion.
I think this thread actually isn't bad about this at all, its just if you can't back your opinion up with some form of logic and not just blind fandom and/or stupidity (Like for example if someone had unquestioned blind faith in a baseball executive, for instance) then you are going to get slammed a bit.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:18 pm to VolSquatch
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Ozzie just isn't that type of leader.
Disagree.
Go back to '22 when he literally cussed Marcell out on the field for not hustling around the bases. And the look on Ozuna's face said it all, it was like he had disappointed his dad.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:20 pm to RunningJacket
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In case you haven’t noticed SP’s are quickly losing importance
We literally punted a game in a Best of 5 series bc our SP was Bryce Elder...
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:35 pm to swagsurfin7
You keep saying Bauer is a cancer in the clubhouse. Can you show me the metric? Mookie Betts says something different. You gonna trust the media narrative or what a guy who played with him says. In my mind the Braves need someone who isn’t afraid to cuss on national TV or wear pearls. Seems like we won a World Series with dudes who were different.
All I care about is on field performance. If we are willing to keep playing Ozuna who was actually arrested because he can hit 30 plus homers then I’m willing to watch a dude who wasn’t arrested win 12-15 games and give us 200 innings. I chuckle every time some posters lament our starting pitchers when Bauer is literally willing to play for free.
All I care about is on field performance. If we are willing to keep playing Ozuna who was actually arrested because he can hit 30 plus homers then I’m willing to watch a dude who wasn’t arrested win 12-15 games and give us 200 innings. I chuckle every time some posters lament our starting pitchers when Bauer is literally willing to play for free.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:36 pm to swagsurfin7
Everyone keeps saying pitching wasn't the problem in the NLDS, and yes we hit like bitches all series, but let's not act like we didn't give all the momentum right back to Philly in the series because we started Elder in game 3 after we pulled off an epic comeback to tie the series up.
And for the record, I think it would've been almost as bad to have Morton starting in that spot too, if he were healthy.
We need to add another starter to bump Morton down to the 4th spot in the rotation and Elder into the pool of guys fighting for the 5th spot.
And for the record, I think it would've been almost as bad to have Morton starting in that spot too, if he were healthy.
We need to add another starter to bump Morton down to the 4th spot in the rotation and Elder into the pool of guys fighting for the 5th spot.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:43 pm to Broski
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after we pulled off an epic comeback to tie the series up
I wonder what the narrative around the team would be had we not come back in that game. I imagine very different.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:59 pm to VolSquatch
I know we’re currently bitching about the 2023 offseason. But that 2025 Dodger rotation gonna be stout.
Fried, Buehler, Ohtani, Glasnow, Miller. With Carrot Top as a back up or closer.
That window getting foggier and foggier.
Fried, Buehler, Ohtani, Glasnow, Miller. With Carrot Top as a back up or closer.
That window getting foggier and foggier.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:27 pm to RunningJacket
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You keep saying Bauer is a cancer in the clubhouse. Can you show me the metric? Mookie Betts says something different.
Of course Mookie is gonna be diplomatic in the media, doesn't make it any less true.
If the same thing has followed him since his UCLA days, there has to be smoke to it, no?
Not doubting his talent but there is a reason he's been around.
And Marcel, while he has had his legal issues(the DUI's, not domestic, his woman is a fricking psycho), is not a cancer and is absolutely adored in the clubhouse. If Bauer didn't have the rep that he does I'd be all for him coming here but he doesn't.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:32 pm to Dale Murphy
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Glasnow
Hasn't pitched more than 120 innings in a season ever
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Buehler
Coming off a 2nd TJS and a flexor tendon surgery. Probably damaged goods.
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Ohtani
Same as Buehler w/a 2nd TJS.
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Miller
He's a stud.
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That window getting foggier and foggier.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:39 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Ohtani
Same as Buehler w/a 2nd TJS.
We were pursing Ohtani. Are you saying you doubt AA's judgement? Wow, hes a great GM dude you should trust him by now.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:41 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Of course Mookie is gonna be diplomatic in the media, doesn't make it any less true.
Lol what Mookie said was more than just a diplomatic non-answer. He straight up called out the woman.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:45 pm to VolSquatch
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We were pursing Ohtani.
No we weren't.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:49 pm to VolSquatch
Oh shut up. I'm just stating facts.
The Dodgers got Ohtani for his offense. If he can provide anything from the mound in '25 and beyond it would be a bonus.
The Dodgers got Ohtani for his offense. If he can provide anything from the mound in '25 and beyond it would be a bonus.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:51 pm to Broski
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Lol what Mookie said was more than just a diplomatic non-answer. He straight up called out the woman.
I didn't know about that last part.
My issue isn't what he does in the bedroom. I could care less. Obviously he's a freak but what you do in your bedroom shouldn't be anyone's business and that woman was obviously looking for a payday.
My concern is his reputation in multiple clubhouses.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:53 pm to VolSquatch
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We were pursing Ohtani
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:54 pm to VolSquatch
Who wouldn’t pursue a stud like Ohtani? But the key is at what price. The Dodgers severely overpaid for him. Period. He’ll never be the same pitcher he was because the Dodgers will never let him pitch that much if he ever can. And as a hitter he isn’t worth 70 mil a year.
Buehler is setting up to be another Strasburg so, like us with Kelenic, the Dodgers are holding their breath to see what he can do and for how long.
As for Glasnow, they had to give up Pepiot for him so it’s not like they were gifted him. Pepiot could end up being the better pitcher from today onward. But let the media fawn all over the Dodgers. Let them have all that pressure.
Buehler is setting up to be another Strasburg so, like us with Kelenic, the Dodgers are holding their breath to see what he can do and for how long.
As for Glasnow, they had to give up Pepiot for him so it’s not like they were gifted him. Pepiot could end up being the better pitcher from today onward. But let the media fawn all over the Dodgers. Let them have all that pressure.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:55 pm to Broski
Just go with it ok
Posted on 12/15/23 at 2:57 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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My concern is his reputation in multiple clubhouses.
You're projecting a lot on one moment where he threw the ball over the CF wall.
There are really no reports of him being a bad teammate. The only person in MLB that has talked bad about him was Gerrit Cole looking back on their UCLA days, but they've both sense admitted that they made each other better despite hating each other.
I gave my thought on Bauer back in the early day's of this thread, when it was first brought up that we should bring him in.
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Look, I get that everyone is team Bauer because he's a face of the anti MeToo movement, but what you said above is not who Bauer is, not even close.
He's not some clubhouse hardass who says shite to galvanize the locker room. He's a socially awkward recluse who fancies himself an intellectual among meatheads in the sport. If you're looking to bring him in to be a clubhouse leader, that's a colossal mistake and could really frick shite up. However, if you think the clubhouse is already strong and cohesive enough to deal with his shite, then you definitely use a flyer on Bauer to see if you get the best out of him because, at his best, he's one of the best pitchers in the game.
Expanding on those thoughts, it seems like signing him would be the type of move AA is looking for. A bargain-bin-y short term type deal that is easy to make disappear if it doesn't work out. Low risk/high-upside. If we need to add an ace but AA is too scared to dish out big time money, Bauer is the move.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 3:01 pm to RunningJacket
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The Dodgers severely overpaid for him.
Huh?
They made a shrewd financial move with how they structured the contract. With all the deferrals to circumvent the CBT, it freed up so much money to where they traded/extended for Glasnow and are still able to go after Yamamoto or whatever other pitcher they want.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 3:02 pm
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