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re: Why do people equate criticizing JD with “Blaming him entirely” for the loss?

Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:26 am to
Posted by adambomb
Member since Dec 2014
1462 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:26 am to
17 points before garbage time. 17 was barely enough to win in 2005, let alone 2023
Posted by Circle G84
Member since Nov 2022
644 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:27 am to
The risk of playing JD5 is not worth the reward. My concern is him not having the fundamentals down such as going through his reads. He gives me no confidence. On the other hand, I believe giving Nussmeier an opportunity to showcase his skills is the right move. First, Nuss can make reads and go through his progressions and get the ball out quickly knowing how to attack a defense. We might as well give him a shot because it may be a return on our investment in him in terms of not only wins, but also in his maturation and potential development into a QB who meets or exceeds our expectations. I hope such a transition is possible for us fans who have been waiting for the next QB who brings back the memories and skills we've not had the pleasure to partake in since Joe graced the field with his vaunted presence. I'm truly sick of the JD 5 experiment that has yielded no return of hope that I expect of this team.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 9:30 am
Posted by boweswi05
birmingham
Member since Aug 2016
5889 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:27 am to
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I don't want to shite on a college kid but I am beginning to wonder if the lights are just too bright for Kyren Lacy. We saw the great catch in the spring game and we saw his athleticism with the ball in his hands but he's just consistently had too many drive killing major drops when the game is tight.


I understand you want the guy to redeem himself if you BK.
After the 3rd drop i would have pulled him.
I'll forgive BT for that one drop ball was underthrown and he had to stop and sit down to try to catch it but he should have still caught it.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 9:29 am
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
10067 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:29 am to
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I agree. And you had opportunities to extend drives on critical 3rd downs when the momentum was going the other way. The protection was good, the throw was good, and you drop the ball. Drive/momentum killers.


Not seeing an open receiver or making a bad throw/decision is also a momentum killer. There's plenty of blame to go around.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
10067 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:30 am to
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I'm convinced the LSU gameplan is to simply not lose our tough games too embarassingly.

That's how this team was built last year and it's how it's built this year.

If that is how they are building the team, then they are doing an awful job because every time we lose it is an embarrassing blowout.
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:31 am to
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If Bama beats us this year it's going to look exactly like the 2011 title, with JD going 3 and out over and over because the 5-6 yard routes arent open.
Exactly. The Alabama game this year is going to be a bloodbath and Saban won’t take his foot off the gas. The defense will lock down JD like they did Fournette.
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
2207 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:32 am to
Did JD miss some opportunities. yes. Did he get out of som pressure because of his legs, yes. Their Oline and Dline was superior to ours because it is all Sr and Jr. even the subs.Nuss would have taken some sacks and maybe forced a TO but I do think he should have been given some snaps in that game to not only give Fl St a different look but also give JD an opportunity to sit on the sidelines an watch what the defense is doing. There were some plays that JD made that Nuss couldn't. And there were some plays that Nuss cold make that JD didn't.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9694 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:39 am to
Some people are blaming Daniels. Daniels definitely deservers some criticism but I think people coming to his defense is because of the loud minority who are wanting a QB change.

But again I'll keep saying Coaching was the biggest blunder offensively. It was really bad.
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
18201 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:40 am to
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Go back and look at the INT he threw


Regardless of whether he was locked in on his receiver, the INT happened because Nabers fell down.

INT wasn't Daniels' fault.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
4130 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:40 am to
It was just brutal at times. I’m watching the game back right now actually.

First possession of 3rd qtr and you get a few 1st downs. You’re driving the field to answer their score. Protection is great. Jayden goes through his progressions. You’re on their 45 and kyren drops the 1st down catch. He may score if he catches it.


2nd drive of 3rd qtr, you get a first down on a pass to Malik and then you convert on 3rd to mason taylor for 8. You get to the next 1st down and that was the BTJ drop. He catches it, and you’re starting the 4th qtr down by a td on the FSU 10 yard line. Next play, Malik falls down and you get picked.


Next series, you’re down 2 scores and they sack you because you’re in catch up mode. You punt it back, they score again, ballgame.







Posted by Lgrnwd
Member since Jan 2018
5958 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:42 am to
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I don't care, catch the ball. It went through his hands. Catch the ball.


The WR was wide open on a busted coverage. Make a better throw and its an easier catch and probably a touchdown. Still should have been caught, but the quarterback made that a MUCH more difficult catch than it should’ve been. Make the throw.

Multiple times LSU had their #1 receiver Nabors 1 on 1 vs man coverage. Which is exactly what you want and great opportunities for big plays. JD botched everyone of those throws giving Nabors no real chance to make the catch. Make the throw.

Fact is for every bad drop LSU’s receivers had, JD had a bad throw or a bad read that cost LSU points and/or offensive momentum.

Once again, JD’s play was definitely not the biggest problem LSU had Sunday night. But it was A problem. It was once again very average QB play, not bad but not good either. And with LSU’s secondary problems, they are going to need more than that this year.

Posted by eod
Covington
Member since Sep 2020
59 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:44 am to
Coaches carry more of the blame for the loss then the players do.
Posted by bstew3006
318
Member since Dec 2007
12635 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:45 am to
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The WR was wide open on a busted coverage. Make a better throw and its an easier catch and probably a touchdown. Still should have been caught, but the quarterback made that a MUCH more difficult catch than it should’ve been. Make the throw.


This happened multiple times last year. Best example is the TD to Jenkins in OM game. Dude was open by 15yds. Luckily Jenk made the play.
Posted by WDAIII
Member since Aug 2020
3717 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:46 am to
JD seems like a good person and no doubt he is a good athlete, but he needs to be in a Rich Rodriguez type system because otherwise it's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
4130 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:46 am to
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The WR was wide open on a busted coverage. Make a better throw and its an easier catch and probably a touchdown. Still should have been caught, but the quarterback made that a MUCH more difficult catch than it should’ve been. Make the throw.



I literally just watched the play again, and the ball hit BTJ in the stomach. You have to catch it in that scenario and you're in the redzone.


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Multiple times LSU had their #1 receiver Nabors 1 on 1 vs man coverage. Which is exactly what you want and great opportunities for big plays. JD botched everyone of those throws giving Nabors no real chance to make the catch. Make the throw.



Those fade routes early were bad, no doubt.


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It was once again very average QB play, not bad but not good either. And with LSU’s secondary problems, they are going to need more than that this year.




If the receivers catch the ball, he finishes with almost 400 yds and 60 on the ground with a couple TD's. If you take away the BTJ TD late, he finishes with over 300 and a couple td's still. To me, that isn't average.
Posted by ComeAtMeBurrow
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2022
263 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:47 am to
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If that is how they are building the team, then they are doing an awful job because every time we lose it is an embarrassing blowout.


If Kelly gets those 2 4th downs and adds 14 points, the score looks a lot closer. That's why, imo, he didnt take the 6 points.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
6631 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:56 am to
Maybe JD doesn’t throw a catchable ball. Doesn’t throw open. Throws late. Throws lack zip and authority when needed. Throws lack touch when needed.

When pass plays are called his first job is to make the throws. If WRs are dropping them then throw to others but make the throws. Until running is only option he has to continue to be looking to throw when pass plays are called. That’s is what is practiced all week and that’s what must happen in the game. Game plan and practices mean nothing if not followed by the QB after one read. WRs are more involved even if not first read. It also forces the defense to defend the entire field for 4 quarters more than one read QB draws and sets up later play calls.

He is in his 5th year as a starter. I am tired of him taking so long to get comfortable enough to consistently pull the trigger. He is a freaking QB. Throw the damn ball!
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 9:57 am
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
10067 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:57 am to
I think he went for them because he knew field goals weren't going to beat FSU. We all knew FSU was going to put up points.
Posted by Lgrnwd
Member since Jan 2018
5958 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:58 am to
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I literally just watched the play again, and the ball hit BTJ in the stomach. You have to catch it in that scenario and you're in the redzone.


Yea, EVERYONE agrees BJT should have caught that.

But it also needs to be acknowledged that it was poor throw by JD to a guy that was wide open making it a more difficult catch than it needed to be. And if it was a better throw, if caught, they aren’t just in the redzone on that play they are scoring a touchdown on that play.
This post was edited on 9/5/23 at 10:09 am
Posted by WDAIII
Member since Aug 2020
3717 posts
Posted on 9/5/23 at 9:58 am to
Kelly said in the halftime interview that they missed some reads. Basically threw JD under the bus but that was the truth. The problem is that when it continued in the second half he should have yanked JD
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