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Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:37 pm to teke184
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No Los Angeles market. No “marquee” teams without USC. Oregon and Washington have good history but aren’t blue bloods of the sport. Shitty TV time slots due to west coast night games at a time when the eastern and central time zones are going to bed. This is the same problem the Big 12 had several years earlier as the two marquee programs (Oklahoma and Texas) left for the SEC, except they still had or could get a number of big markets such as Dallas, Houston, Orlando, etc, between current members and expansion targets. The Big 12 expanded and was able to recover. The PAC thought they were too good for all their potential new members and disintegrated as a result of that.
That’s not what I’m asking
How do you put a dollar value on all the shite you just listed?
I’m just trying to see if you’re man enough to admit you’re talking out of your arse or not. That’s an amount of money you’ll never see nor handle in your lifetime yet that doesn’t stop you from getting on the internet and acting like you know it all
I’m not even hating, I’m just sayin…
Posted on 8/11/23 at 5:40 pm to Tiger Prawn
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And PAC games have the worst time slots for an east coast audience where the most TV eyeballs are at.
In theory that should balance out with them being the only major conference in that time slot…
And nothing was stopping them from having their top games during the day, when the whole country could still watch. They get the benefit of earlier finishes from the Eastern time zone (like people still having their whole night available after 8 eastern/5 pacific games end)
Now you’ll have conference opponents in the Eastern time zone that might play at UCLA and start at 10:00 P.M. eastern, or UCLA could come to them and start at 8 am pacific (we all know the Big Ten loves their early kicks)
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 6:16 pm to TheRouxGuru
I’m not a TV exec or a conference exec. But I am pointing out semi-facetiously that the PAC was NOT negotiating from a position of strength when they big dicked ESPN.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 6:22 pm to 1999
What's really messed up is the #1 person that blocked the Pac12 from taking the deal, ended up taking the deal.
After the Pac12 Presidents (Michael Crow) rejected the deal, the following month (10/22) the Big 12 took that deal from ESPN. Pac12 is toast.
Then Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools joined the Big 12 for the same deal.
After the Pac12 Presidents (Michael Crow) rejected the deal, the following month (10/22) the Big 12 took that deal from ESPN. Pac12 is toast.
Then Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools joined the Big 12 for the same deal.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 6:56 pm to 1999
This deal never would have been signed. Oregon/Washington going to the Big 10 was the worst kept secret in sports at that time. Had the other Presidents been willing to take the deal UO and UW would have pulled the rug out and been Big 10 members last Fall. Instead the Big 10 was able to slow play it. ESPN isn't giving $30mil without the two biggest remaining brands.
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 7:10 pm to Ssubba
Has it been mentioned yet that everyone found out that the rights deal was dead when Oregon and Washington didn’t even bother to call into the teleconference last week?
Posted on 8/11/23 at 7:56 pm to tucoco
People and family are friends until money is involved. Greed and what’s in it for me brings a downfall to most things.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 7:44 am to Ssubba
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Oregon/Washington going to the Big 10 was the worst kept secret in sports at that time.
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ESPN isn't giving $30mil without the two biggest remaining brands.
I agree with you. Just funny to see UW and “big brand” in the same sentence.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 8:00 am to Talkum Poudar
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Just over 30 mil
That counter of 50 million was a bold move. Especially with USC and UCLA on the move. The last great miscalculation in this mess.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 3:47 pm to bamameister
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That counter of 50 million was a bold move. Especially with USC and UCLA on the move. The last great miscalculation in this mess.
yup. historic blunder
Posted on 8/12/23 at 4:12 pm to bamameister
They should have countered at 35-40 and maybe they would have been able to get 32-34, which would have been way to much.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 4:40 pm to Cosmo
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if that's true, then holy crud, those presidents are dumb as hell. $30M/school? all things considered (size of fanbases in pac-12, interest, attendance, low population in west coast, etc), that's a damn good deal that they refused
Would be by far lowest per school among P5 doe
The ACC paid its members $36,000,000 in 2021 and the new Big 12 was supposed to pay schools $31,600,000 per year ( LINK for both numbers). If the PAC-12-2 could have gotten $30,000,000 per school and then expanded by 2-4 teams they could have made another $5,000,000-$10,000,000 per school and been ahead of the Big12 and around what the ACC makes. If this claim is true then it is just another example of the arrogance of the PAC12 killing itself.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 5:01 pm to DBG
Apple as in the streaming service?
Posted on 8/12/23 at 10:47 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:Guess they thought schools were about school. If that were really the case, then they take the $30 mil., right?
Especially Cal and Stanford. They kept blocking expansion.
How bout those four words that start with "T" in a row, in my last sentence!
Posted on 8/12/23 at 10:55 pm to tucoco
quote:Son,
looking at how the PGA has sold out to LIV golf for money as well as other situations concerning other sports
Your country's government sold out it's workers to China and third world countries, but it's why everything was so cheap, until it wasn't.
Posted on 8/12/23 at 11:14 pm to chinese58
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How bout those four words that start with "T" in a row, in my last sentence!
That’s 5 yo
Posted on 8/12/23 at 11:25 pm to tucoco
The Southwest Conference did this 27 years ago.
They had a lot of tradition over the 82 years they existed.
Texas Almanac
When Texas, A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor left for the Big 8 in 1996, after Arkansas had left for the SEC in 1992, Houston, Rice, SMU and TCU got left behind. I remember people said the only reason the Big 8 took Baylor was because Ann Richards was governor then.
They had a lot of tradition over the 82 years they existed.
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Football, the premier sport from start to finish, produced seven national champions: SMU, 1935; TCU, 1938; Texas A&M, 1939; Arkansas, 1964; and Texas, 1963, 1969 and 1970. Those three UT national titles were the gems of Darrell Royal's 20 years as Longhorns coach, a career which saw him post the SWC's best winning percentage of .774 (167-47-5).
D.X. Bible, who hired Royal to restore UT's football glory just before he retired as the school's athletic director, also earned a unique place in SWC history. He was the only man who served as head coach at A&M and UT, the league's fiercest rivals. Bible was 72-19-9 in 11 years at A&M (1917, 1919-28) and returned to the SWC after eight years at Nebraska to coach Texas to a 63-31-3 record in 10 years, 1937-46. Bible's 21-year SWC coaching record was .716.
The Heisman Trophy, awarded annually to the nation's outstanding offensive player, was won by five SWC stars: TCU's Davey O'Brien, 1938; SMU's Doak Walker, 1948; A&M's John David Crow, 1957; Texas' Earl Campbell, 1977; and Houston's Andre Ware, 1989. The league also produced five winners of the Outland Trophy, which salutes the nation's outstanding lineman: Arkansas' Bud Brooks, 1954; Texas' Scott Appleton, 1963; Texas' Tommy Nobis, 1965; Arkansas' Loyd Phillips, 1966; and Texas' Brad Shearer, 1977.
In other sports, SWC schools won a total of 55 national championships. Most notable were Texas' winning the NCAA College World Series four times (1949, 1950, 1975, 1983) and two outstanding women's basketball champions: Texas (34-0) in 1986 and Texas Tech, led by Player of the Year Sheryl Swoopes, in 1993.
The SWC boasted more than 350 first-team all-America athletes in football, basketball and baseball alone.
Texas Almanac
When Texas, A&M, Texas Tech and Baylor left for the Big 8 in 1996, after Arkansas had left for the SEC in 1992, Houston, Rice, SMU and TCU got left behind. I remember people said the only reason the Big 8 took Baylor was because Ann Richards was governor then.
This post was edited on 8/12/23 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 8/13/23 at 6:36 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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$800 million - $1.28 billion seems like way more than ESPN could actually earn then afford to pay out.
ESPN knows it is too much also, they certainly won't be in business to pay it. See what's happening to MLB and the NBA, plus ESPN's implosion and the media landscape will go back to what Chip Kelly is hinting at this week very soon.
Two big divisions for national championships, no conferences or pie in the sky guarantees and independent college football dynasties, the top 10-15 serious competitors left.
Posted on 8/16/23 at 3:39 pm to 1999
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Brett McMurphy
@Brett_McMurphy
On Pac-12's demise from
@BradyMcCollough
: George Kliavkoff tried blocking UCLA's move to B1G w/Cal regents. Then in October 2022, ESPN offered Pac-12 $30M/school, but a Pac-12 president "worked w/a professor on his campus" who estimated the school's market value was $50M/school. So Pac-12, based on this professor’s advice, asked for $50M/school. ESPN said no
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