Happy 4th of July to everyone!

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Have a safe wonderful 4 of July with your friends and or family !

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Back at you.

And as far as insurrections and secessions go, the American version was the best ever.

Teacher: Okay guys, one more thing, this summer when you're being inundated with all this American 4th Of July brouhaha, don't forget what you're celebrating, and that's the fact that a bunch of slave-owning, aristocratic, white males didn't want to pay their taxes.

Randy Pink Floyd: YEAH!

Happy Independence Day

I know that’s what people like to think but it’s simply not true. Even after John Adams got the British soldiers off after the Boston massacre with a colonial court system and a completely American jury, (Because he was a damn good lawyer and they were probably innocent), the British passed a law saying any soldier accused of any misconduct or mistreatment of any Colonial American would be tried in a British Court.

That really really pissed off everyone, including people like John Adams who was opposed initially to the war. This was a much bigger issue than the tax issue, and made everyone feel completely like second class citizens.

The real flame was started here with that incredibly stupid decision, then the tea tax etc was salt in the wound or the straw that broke the camels back.

Imagine if you are a Colonial American, you have the Boston Massacre, which really pissed you off to begin with, then one of the best lawyers gets them off in a fair trial, which people understood and kinda accepted but still pissed them off more, then the British say we can’t really trust you to be fair so we aren’t going to subject our soldiers to Court system of our making with you as jurors as we don’t trust you to be fair. (Despite the fact that you just completely proved you can be completely fair in the biggest case in the colonies history)
You would be way beyond pissed and ready to kick some arse at this point right.

You have promised all along that you were full British Citizens entitled to the full benefits and protection of the crown, and just a decade earlier you fought a really bloody war, (French and Indian War) in which you really had nothing to do with what started it but it resulted in many of your friends being killed and injured. Entire settlements of people, men, women and children were massacred along the frontier. Now they want to raise your taxes for that too. This wasn’t fair and just as you fought the damn war and paid in blood. No one in England was massacred by Indians just because they were British. And truthfully you all got along fine with the French traders and most of Indians before this shite. It really pissed everyone off and sent this over over the tipping point.

If you don’t believe me look at the constitution and check out all the sections dealing with rights of citizenship and right to trial by jury etc versus taxes.The HBO series John Adams does a great job of laying all this out.

We were not a country founded to avoid taxes and that’s bullshite no matter how much Grover Norquest and Corporate America wants to keep preaching that bullshite. We were a country that wanted freedom, liberty and fair justice just like they said.

God Bless America! We may have ducked up a bunch of it but we were founded on the right principles, not just an aversion to some stupid tax.

Happy 4th you funny SOBs.

Happy 4th!

Our greatest happiness does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed us, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits.


Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.

Jefferson (both)

I wanna say Hamilton was especially a badass, but the OT history buffs may counter this. I don't know enough about him.

>I wanna say Hamilton was especially a badass, but the OT history buffs may counter this. I don't know enough about him

He was Puerto Rican

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British passed a law saying any soldier accused of any misconduct or mistreatment of any Colonial American would be tried in a British Court.

That really really pissed off everyone, including people like John Adams who was opposed initially to the war. This was a much bigger issue than the tax issue, and made everyone feel completely like second class citizens.

The real flame was started here with that incredibly stupid decision, then the tea tax etc was salt in the wound or the straw that broke the camels back.

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Did this really piss off either the airy class or the citizenry? Your mention of the extra judicial treatament is the the first I've heard of it as being more important than the traditional causes. The stamp act screwed everyone did it not?

This kind of discussion is welcomed, but I still feel like taxation combined with being second class citizens is the genesis of the revolution. Most anyone around the world doesn't understand when I explain why America is the way it is, except for the Irish. 2A always comes up, but then I bring up the 3rd amendment against quartering soldiers in private homes. My general line is, if you wonder why Americans ended up the way they are, think of what the British did to you.

The lightbulb illuminates pretty fast.