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Happy 4th of July to everyone!

Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:08 am
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:08 am
Although we got a lot more help from the French, Dutch and Spanish than we were taught in most of our history books, (French troops outnumbered us 4-1 at the battle of Yorktown. (Thank you Ben Franklin)).

It was still an incredible long shot at least 1000 to 1 or better. Most Americans probably didn’t even want full independence at the beginning just some concessions, etc. and most people
on both sides thought it would be worked out. But as the war waged on people got pissed and in the end we became a new country.

So let’s not frick it all up now anymore than it already is . (Lol)

Have a safe wonderful 4 of July with your friends and or family !
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 8:13 am
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:11 am to
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Have a safe wonderful 4 of July with your friends and or family !


Back at you.

And as far as insurrections and secessions go, the American version was the best ever.

Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:12 am to
Posted by Tomatocantender
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:12 am to
Teacher: Okay guys, one more thing, this summer when you're being inundated with all this American 4th Of July brouhaha, don't forget what you're celebrating, and that's the fact that a bunch of slave-owning, aristocratic, white males didn't want to pay their taxes.

Randy Pink Floyd: YEAH!

Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:18 am to
That’s all I ever think about when someone says Forth of July
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:20 am to
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:23 am to
Posted by GruntbyAssociation
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:23 am to
Happy Independence Day
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
31762 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:31 am to
Happy 4th! If you’re having a party, make sure to have a gender neutral bathroom for trans guests today
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
45898 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 8:38 am to
I know that’s what people like to think but it’s simply not true. Even after John Adams got the British soldiers off after the Boston massacre with a colonial court system and a completely American jury, (Because he was a damn good lawyer and they were probably innocent), the British passed a law saying any soldier accused of any misconduct or mistreatment of any Colonial American would be tried in a British Court.

That really really pissed off everyone, including people like John Adams who was opposed initially to the war. This was a much bigger issue than the tax issue, and made everyone feel completely like second class citizens.

The real flame was started here with that incredibly stupid decision, then the tea tax etc was salt in the wound or the straw that broke the camels back.

Imagine if you are a Colonial American, you have the Boston Massacre, which really pissed you off to begin with, then one of the best lawyers gets them off in a fair trial, which people understood and kinda accepted but still pissed them off more, then the British say we can’t really trust you to be fair so we aren’t going to subject our soldiers to Court system of our making with you as jurors as we don’t trust you to be fair. (Despite the fact that you just completely proved you can be completely fair in the biggest case in the colonies history)
You would be way beyond pissed and ready to kick some arse at this point right.

You have promised all along that you were full British Citizens entitled to the full benefits and protection of the crown, and just a decade earlier you fought a really bloody war, (French and Indian War) in which you really had nothing to do with what started it but it resulted in many of your friends being killed and injured. Entire settlements of people, men, women and children were massacred along the frontier. Now they want to raise your taxes for that too. This wasn’t fair and just as you fought the damn war and paid in blood. No one in England was massacred by Indians just because they were British. And truthfully you all got along fine with the French traders and most of Indians before this shite. It really pissed everyone off and sent this over over the tipping point.

If you don’t believe me look at the constitution and check out all the sections dealing with rights of citizenship and right to trial by jury etc versus taxes.The HBO series John Adams does a great job of laying all this out.

We were not a country founded to avoid taxes and that’s bullshite no matter how much Grover Norquest and Corporate America wants to keep preaching that bullshite. We were a country that wanted freedom, liberty and fair justice just like they said.

God Bless America! We may have ducked up a bunch of it but we were founded on the right principles, not just an aversion to some stupid tax.
This post was edited on 7/4/23 at 8:44 am
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:15 am to
Happy 4th you funny SOBs.
Posted by VirgilCaine
Orchard Park
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 9:49 am to
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God Bless America! We may have ducked up a bunch of it but we were founded on the right principles, not just an aversion to some stupid tax.


And all the principles needed to correct the mistakes are in the founding documents. It’s incredible.

Posted by sqerty
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:26 pm to
Happy 4th!

Our greatest happiness does not depend on the condition of life in which chance has placed us, but is always the result of a good conscience, good health, occupation, and freedom in all just pursuits.


Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.

Jefferson (both)

Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
45898 posts
Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:45 pm to
It’s really incredible what they did not just during the war but after, and a lot of these guys hated each others guts, hell one of them killed another one in a duel. But they put all that aside to try to do something to make everything better for everyone not just line their damn pockets or help their buddies. Then after the war was over this continued at least for a little while
Posted by sqerty
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 1:57 pm to
I wanna say Hamilton was especially a badass, but the OT history buffs may counter this. I don't know enough about him.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/4/23 at 2:53 pm to
I forgot to leave cigarettes and diet coke last night, so John Daly didn't come down the chimney and leave me ant fireworks
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:17 am to
>I wanna say Hamilton was especially a badass, but the OT history buffs may counter this. I don't know enough about him

He was Puerto Rican
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9944 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:24 am to
quote:

Although we got a lot more help from the French, Dutch and Spanish than we were taught in most of our history books,


If it wasn't for the French, the Navy in particularly, we would have been strangled in the cradle. There is a a reason that we name so much shite after Lafayette.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9944 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:35 am to
quote:

British passed a law saying any soldier accused of any misconduct or mistreatment of any Colonial American would be tried in a British Court.

That really really pissed off everyone, including people like John Adams who was opposed initially to the war. This was a much bigger issue than the tax issue, and made everyone feel completely like second class citizens.

The real flame was started here with that incredibly stupid decision, then the tea tax etc was salt in the wound or the straw that broke the camels back.


Did this really piss off either the airy class or the citizenry? Your mention of the extra judicial treatament is the the first I've heard of it as being more important than the traditional causes. The stamp act screwed everyone did it not?

This kind of discussion is welcomed, but I still feel like taxation combined with being second class citizens is the genesis of the revolution. Most anyone around the world doesn't understand when I explain why America is the way it is, except for the Irish. 2A always comes up, but then I bring up the 3rd amendment against quartering soldiers in private homes. My general line is, if you wonder why Americans ended up the way they are, think of what the British did to you.

The lightbulb illuminates pretty fast.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53154 posts
Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:35 am to
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but I still feel like taxation combined with being second class citizens is the genesis of the revolution.


lack of home rule played a big part.

There was a shift in the years leading up to the revolution of London hollowing out every political structure in the colonies and increasing direct control (appointing officials, trying criminal cases in London, military occupation, etc) sent things over the edge.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 6:40 am
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