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re: Electric Cars Are An Expensive Scam
Posted on 7/1/23 at 7:57 am to Placekicker
Posted on 7/1/23 at 7:57 am to Placekicker
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Ford projects it’s going to lose $3 billion on electric vehicles in 2023, bringing its EV losses to $5.1 billion over two years. In 2021, Ford reportedly lost $34,000 on every EV it made.
I wonder why? Is it because they can't sell what they build, or are they selling at a loss?
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the usefulness of EVs is highly debatable. Most of the energy that powers them is derived from fossil fuels. The manufacturing of an EV has a negligible positive benefit for the environment, if any.
I don't doubt this. Electricity is more than that stuff you get out of white receptacles on your wall.
I have a 2023 Ford Lightning. It cost a lot for a Lariat trim. I can't imagine what it would cost if they are under-charging for the vehicle. I really like my Lightning. It serves my intended purpose well. My monthly electricity costs have risen about 150 bucks. But my gasoline costs have dropped through the floor. And my Lightning is now my wife's favorite car.
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Posted on 7/1/23 at 8:04 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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And my Lightning is now my wife's favorite car.
Does your wife’s boyfriend still drive that jacked up diesel?
Posted on 7/1/23 at 8:12 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I have a 2023 Ford Lightning.
:lol: :lol: what did you pay for that POS 70k,90k? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted on 7/1/23 at 8:24 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I have a 2023 Ford Lightning. It cost a lot for a Lariat trim. I can't imagine what it would cost if they are under-charging for the vehicle. I really like my Lightning. It serves my intended purpose well. My monthly electricity costs have risen about 150 bucks. But my gasoline costs have dropped through the floor. And my Lightning is now my wife's favorite car.
So your electric bill rose and your gas bill went down so you save maybe a few bucks and are now limited on where you can fuel up the ugliest ford f150 ever made. Sounds like you hand cuffed yourself just like they want you to be
Posted on 7/1/23 at 8:28 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I wonder why? Is it because they can't sell what they build, or are they selling at a loss?
Yes they are selling at a loss because there would be almost zero demand for an EV if they sold them at a profitable price point.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 10:25 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I wonder why? Is it because they can't sell what they build, or are they selling at a loss?
I'd love to see their books broken down by division, but I suspect it is this. They are finding that to get the public to buy them, they are having to sell them at a loss right now and they are still expensive as frick.
1.) The business is not large enough to generate the economies of scale they have on their ICE vehicles
2.) They don't have a hundred years of experience learning how to build these monstrosities efficiently
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:50 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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aTmTexas Dildo
EVs should come with a dildo in the glove box.
Truck EVs should come with a gross.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 5:07 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
I get the feeling these directives get pushed back by the Dems or outright gutted by the GOP before 2030. It’s just not enough time to do it.
The realistic, environmentally friendly goal is requiring all new vehicles to be hybrids by 2030. Hybrid power trains can be manufactured cheaply and reliably now. It will not dramatically raise the floor on the market for new vehicles. It will complicate maintenance over long term ownership or buying used but not nearly to the degree of LiIon batteries.
My car is a turbo 4 with mild hybrid and it has great off the line speed because of the hybrid. I test drove a 6 cylinder with mild hybrid awhile back and it was very impressive off the line too. Hybrid doesn’t mean Prius speed and driving dynamics. The quality manufacturers use them well to maximize fuel efficiency and to provide initial torque to get you going.
The realistic, environmentally friendly goal is requiring all new vehicles to be hybrids by 2030. Hybrid power trains can be manufactured cheaply and reliably now. It will not dramatically raise the floor on the market for new vehicles. It will complicate maintenance over long term ownership or buying used but not nearly to the degree of LiIon batteries.
My car is a turbo 4 with mild hybrid and it has great off the line speed because of the hybrid. I test drove a 6 cylinder with mild hybrid awhile back and it was very impressive off the line too. Hybrid doesn’t mean Prius speed and driving dynamics. The quality manufacturers use them well to maximize fuel efficiency and to provide initial torque to get you going.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 5:16 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Just buy what you damn well please...just like anything else. We have plenty of options to chose from....time will tell. Some of you would still be riding a horse and buggy, I'm guessing, given the chance....caveat emptor.
This post was edited on 7/1/23 at 5:17 pm
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