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re: Play with Morgan at 3rd/TF in 6th inning.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:53 am to civiltiger07
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:53 am to civiltiger07
But you're not right lol
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:55 am to Contrary
In spite of all this, Morgan would have scored with a better slide. How does a guy doing a head first slide end up with his knee in that position? Seems like knowing how to slide properly is a fundamental part of baseball.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:55 am to Contrary
The problem with your post is the hall was hit too hard and right behind him. 3b was taken to the bag. Morgan had nowhere to go.
The other issue is Beloso has rarely if ever hit a ball down the 3b line. He is played constantly as a pull hitter with a shift. If the ball goes anywhere else other than pitcher, Morgan is safe.
If Morgan does what you say, he is probably tagged out at 3rd with possible throw out double play of a slow Beloso.
In reality, it was an extremely fortunate location of hit for wake. The 1 thing other than striking out or pop out Beloso couldn’t do.
The other issue is Beloso has rarely if ever hit a ball down the 3b line. He is played constantly as a pull hitter with a shift. If the ball goes anywhere else other than pitcher, Morgan is safe.
If Morgan does what you say, he is probably tagged out at 3rd with possible throw out double play of a slow Beloso.
In reality, it was an extremely fortunate location of hit for wake. The 1 thing other than striking out or pop out Beloso couldn’t do.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:56 am to Alt26
quote:i thought the same thing but Morgan no matter what ,still has rules period. If he follows them from the coach who should of just told him, he is standing on 3rd base with 2 more at bats. Period.
Beloso is a straight pull hitter. The odds of him hitting a ground ball to the left side are low. The odds of him hitting a ground ball that takes the 3rd baseman RIGHT TO THRID BASE are even lower.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:56 am to Contrary
I agree 100% with the Morgan analysis. I was screaming at him as soon as I saw him take off. There was no need especially on a sharply hit ball to third. Might as well have tried to steal home on the pitch if you're going to be THAT aggressive.
The Floyd decision is a matter of opinion. He pitched so well up to that point and a couple of those walks had questionable calls, although he got some generous calls earlier in the game. I would have yanked him after the second walk. But I think a big part of the problem was the pen wasn't ready yet.
I have no problem with Jobert swinging away in that situation, but he should have had a better eye than that. That was an awful pitch that should have made it 3-0. But it's not like we did anything else with the rest of the inning.
Just beat Tennessee!
The Floyd decision is a matter of opinion. He pitched so well up to that point and a couple of those walks had questionable calls, although he got some generous calls earlier in the game. I would have yanked him after the second walk. But I think a big part of the problem was the pen wasn't ready yet.
I have no problem with Jobert swinging away in that situation, but he should have had a better eye than that. That was an awful pitch that should have made it 3-0. But it's not like we did anything else with the rest of the inning.
Just beat Tennessee!
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:56 am to Asleepinthecove
I have no problem with him going but not with 1st and third with no outs. I would rather try for a sac fly or a hit to the right side or to the middle infielders. Live to fight another day. Chicken is right though in this case Morgan would have been caught in a rundown because of where the ball was hit. It was just a bang bang play that didn’t go in our favor. One other thing I don’t believe in looking back to get in the line of the throw. That slows you down. If you are going to run there can be zero hesitation.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:59 am to Contrary
The hall was hit too hard and took the fielder to the base for any short lead and short secondary to get him back safely on the bag. He would have been tagged out. We would have had 1st and 2nd at best with 1 out and dugas hit into a double play.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:00 am to subidc
'Make the ball go through".....
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:01 am to mgdtiger
quote:thats why you sit in a short lead with no out and literally almost take no secondary(small one) to protect yourself and see the ball thru. It is correct.
The problem with your post is the hall was hit too hard and right behind him. 3b
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 10:23 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:02 am to Topwater Trout
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he doubled and hit the longest ball of the game earlier and you want him to take on a fb count? he got thrown a great slider 2-0
In that situation, 100% yes
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:06 am to Contrary
Ok look i get it that plenty of situations can happen. I know situatonal baseball too. Most of.it is follow all your fundamental rules and then the rest is gambling with a situation. The real question is are you "willing to gamble in that situation". On 3rd ,no outs,8th inning and biggest game of year?
Following correct fundamentals in that "situation" could have easily been avoided and Morgan still would have been on 3rd. Ask a coach.everyone will tell you the same. If they arent then they are gambling. Thats not fundamental baseball.
Following correct fundamentals in that "situation" could have easily been avoided and Morgan still would have been on 3rd. Ask a coach.everyone will tell you the same. If they arent then they are gambling. Thats not fundamental baseball.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:08 am to Chicken
Sometimes, you tip your hat. That catcher made the play of his life and probably won the game for his team.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:08 am to Contrary
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Main ones are ball hit in the middle with infield playing deep, we score, if ball is hit to pitcher/3rd base, WE HAVE TO HOLD. If ball is hit to 1st,it depends of he is deep or not. Freeze on line drives and ball hit to outfield deep, we tagging etc. Jay's excuse was they were being "aggressive", thats an excuse to hide his eneptness as a gameday coach, it was a failure in coaching.
We are at the highest level of Division 1 baseball. Do you honestly think the scenario's were not discussed? The ball was hit in the worst possible spot. Morgan goes back he may get tagged out. Im not justifying the play im just saying that it was a split second decision that took a great play by the catcher to complete.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:08 am to RB10
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This guy understands situational baseball.
He does.
The score was tied. We played for a big inning. That precludes bunting. One run might not be enough and later on we found out it wasn’t.
On that play WF was perfect. If they aren’t we have a 3-2 lead with no outs and runners at 1st and 2nd or should knows if the ball hits Morgan in the back 2nd and 3rd all bee we cause we were aggressive.
If didn’t work, but we were still tied with ABs left. It’s not a bad strategy.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:11 am to Contrary
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. that's why he should have been on a short primary and small secondary on pitch as per coach's instructions(what the 3rd base coach should have done immediately was get Morgan straight on what can or cant happen). You have to see ball thru infield first. This was a coaching(the 3rd base coach literally told him nothing)failure in Morgans' part. Ask any coach.
Not a single coach in history has shortened a runner's lead in case someone hit a laser at the 3rd baseman, 3rd baseman makes a good play and the catcher makes a clean pick. You want to argue sending a runner on any ground ball, I'm right there with you because I hated Maineri for it, but this line of thinking is dumb. Tre was in no-man's land because of where the ball was hit, and he did well to make it a close play
ETA: they damn sure aren't shortening a lead with a left handed pull hitter up
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:17 am to Contrary
Excellent assessment. Bottom line is he should never have been sent. Force the third baseman to make the throw to first. There's a reasonable chance he overthrows.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:17 am to Simplemaaan
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Beloso just hit the ball in the worst place possible.
This.
Beloso is mainly a pull hitter....he very rarely hits the ball to the left side. Of all times for him to hit the ball the opposite way, this wasn't it. Tre was too far off of the bag to get back, so the only option was to take off. Just sucks that it happened at that point in the game. Baseball will humble you. Come back today and bust arse.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:19 am to Contrary
On that exact play to third, I send Morgan 10 out of 10 times. A slightly bettter slide or a non miracle blind scoop by the catcher we go ahead.
We dont take with BJ there at all, we have him on hunt. He is one of the bats we have that can tie it up or hit a double.
We lost, we lost, we lost. LSU, UF, and Wake are the clear top three in the country. Wake won.
Your takes are just not sound.
We dont take with BJ there at all, we have him on hunt. He is one of the bats we have that can tie it up or hit a double.
We lost, we lost, we lost. LSU, UF, and Wake are the clear top three in the country. Wake won.
Your takes are just not sound.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:19 am to TigerMac81
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Excellent assessment. Bottom line is he should never have been sent. Force the third baseman to make the throw to first. There's a reasonable chance he overthrows.
The kid could have underhand tossed it to get Beloso.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 10:22 am
Posted on 6/20/23 at 10:20 am to doubleb
quote:And lucky
On that play WF was perfect.
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