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re: FF16 game thread non spoiler
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:12 am to kingbob
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:12 am to kingbob
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Please don’t do this. As someone who played a ton of turn based games, they’re a dinosaur now. Straight turn-based games, now, make me feel like my eyes are bleeding from boredom. Trying to go back and play KOTOR last year or old pokemon games for the gameboy color was grueling outside of the nostalgia factor.
It's so bizarre people put KOTOR in the same bucket as a pure turn-based RPG like Pokemon or Dragon Quest when it's not the same thing at all
Do you find games like Pillars of Eternity and Dragon Age Origins unplayable as well?
I've said before that my issue with FF16 is not necessarily that the combat is not purely turn-based, but not all turn-based battle systems are created equal.
A good turn-based battle system needs quick, snappy animations and doesn't bog you down with random battles that take upwards of 10-15 turns to complete.
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:24 am to BulldogXero
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A good turn-based battle system needs quick, snappy animations
Persona 5 is proof positive of that statement. The games battle music, art style, and animations make it go from 8/10 to 10/10
Also im curious what your possible issue with it could be if its not the combat. The game looks spectacular and other than China flu which was out of its control has been rock solid in every stage of development
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:45 am to BulldogXero
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It's so bizarre people put KOTOR in the same bucket as a pure turn-based RPG like Pokemon or Dragon Quest when it's not the same thing at all
For me, what I don’t like is that it feels impersonal. I feel like I tell them what attack to do, and then I wait for the character to perform it. In that respect, KOTOR’s combat is essentially the same as pokemon, FF V, Golden Sun, etc.
Where, on the flip side, in an action game, I feel like I am attacking and dodging. My favorite pure turn based systems were positional based like FF Tactics or South Park: The Fractured But Whole.
Random turn based encounters, especially when it takes you out of the map and into what is essentially a combat mini-game like old FF games) really feel like they stop the pacing of a game right in its tracks in a way that random enemies in games like Witcher 3, Ghost of Tsushima, or Breath of the Wild do not. Combat doesn’t feel separated from the rest of the games, and my decisions in combat don’t feel separated from the actions of my character.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 2:42 pm to kingbob
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Combat doesn’t feel separated from the rest of the games, and my decisions in combat don’t feel separated from the actions of my character
I'd argue that turn based combat is best way to accomplish this sentiment when dealing with a party or multiple characters, which is a huge appeal of classic RPGs. Party management.
You tinker with everyone's gear, you get to know which attacks and skills compliment the group as a whole, swap people in and out to try different things, and you get to be in total, intimate control, not just doing the menu work then watching an AI take over. FF7R tried to merge the two to some success I guess.
What baffles me is that they haven't tried a "Stranger in Paradise" style FF branded budget AAA or AA game with some innovated turn based party combat. Feels like they are leaving some money on the table.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:01 pm to td01241
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square is panicking over 16 having fewer pre orders than 15.
Probably because the core fans of the franchise are tired of them trying to make the franchise into Devil May Cry?
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:02 pm to Rand AlThor
I have addressed this already in this thread but I will say it again. I myself am very much a "core" fan of this series and the combat outside of id argue the ff7 remake series while fun was never even the primary draw of this series. They literally launched FF to international stardom on the back of ff7 on ps1 because of how cinematic it felt for its time and the story it told. The game itself has incredibly easy fights the entire way throughout hell id argue it was the first ever AAA game or movie game.
Given this, and I do understand anyone who has misgivings about the full on switch to character action not wanting to pre order which is why I have said the games success will depend on early adopters word of mouth, why is FF16 so different than when FF7 launched because that too was somewhat of a radical combat shift for its time? Why do some "core fans" seem to actively want this to fail?
I understand that I am the very exact target audience for this game. Male in my 30s, prefers dark fantasy over high fantasy or sci fi, places narrative over anything else in a game, etc but I still cant square anyone who is a "fan" having any attitude beyond ya know I will wait and see and pick it up once the early adopter general audience ways in or I wont. All of this is to mention MANY PEOPLE not just shill sites like IGN have played about 6 hours of this game and I havent heard 1 who didnt sing its praises. The general consensus, and the demo will confirm this I imagine, is the opening 4 hours actually have TO LITTLE COMBAT and is a bit cutscene heavy. There was also some suggestion a few bits of the opening that will go past the demo unfortunately did have somewhat of a ff13 funneling vibe but no where to its degree and there are wide exploration zones.
ETA to add this video
Night Sky Prince
This guy is one of the best FF insiders that is actually independent and goes over the apparent panicking peeling back the layers.
Given this, and I do understand anyone who has misgivings about the full on switch to character action not wanting to pre order which is why I have said the games success will depend on early adopters word of mouth, why is FF16 so different than when FF7 launched because that too was somewhat of a radical combat shift for its time? Why do some "core fans" seem to actively want this to fail?
I understand that I am the very exact target audience for this game. Male in my 30s, prefers dark fantasy over high fantasy or sci fi, places narrative over anything else in a game, etc but I still cant square anyone who is a "fan" having any attitude beyond ya know I will wait and see and pick it up once the early adopter general audience ways in or I wont. All of this is to mention MANY PEOPLE not just shill sites like IGN have played about 6 hours of this game and I havent heard 1 who didnt sing its praises. The general consensus, and the demo will confirm this I imagine, is the opening 4 hours actually have TO LITTLE COMBAT and is a bit cutscene heavy. There was also some suggestion a few bits of the opening that will go past the demo unfortunately did have somewhat of a ff13 funneling vibe but no where to its degree and there are wide exploration zones.
ETA to add this video
Night Sky Prince
This guy is one of the best FF insiders that is actually independent and goes over the apparent panicking peeling back the layers.
This post was edited on 6/5/23 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:07 pm to td01241
Since this thread has morphed into a dual dynamic anyone care to weigh in on what the ever crisis trailer will be like or how it will go down at summer games fest? Also with the likely hood of Rebirths trailer appearing there going up by the day what do you think they will show us assuming we see it? What will the tone be?
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:38 pm to td01241
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why is FF16 so different than when FF7 launched because that too was somewhat of a radical combat shift for its time?
If you’re talking about the original ff7 can you explain what you mean by this? It wasn’t a radical departure in combat compared to earlier games. The “radical departure” in combat of the main series really didn’t happen until 12 when they wanted to make it feel more like 11
Posted on 6/5/23 at 9:52 pm to Josh Fenderman
Perhaps using the words radical departure was the wrong words which is why I did try to temper it with somewhat. It isnt an altogether sufficient simile for ff16s change I will give you that. It wasnt a particularly sufficient talking point of my post. It just seems to me theyre largely just using a modern version of the exact strategy they used that worked so well in making ff7 popular for ps1 on ff16 for the ps5. The video I linked above gives all my reasons for drawing this conclusion but put simple FF7 remake launched to an install base of over 100million and ff16 is to 38million. I dont believe SQ is this stupid to not see the low initial sales of this game coming and I dont think it was ever the plan as the video lays out.
Posted on 6/5/23 at 10:03 pm to td01241
I don’t know. My opinion is FF is never going back to those turn based rpg days. There’s other series you can play for that now. They’ve been going for the action rpg formula for awhile and I think they’ve settled on mostly story while keeping certain things like Cid, Moogles, chocobos etc to make it feel like it’s still a FF game.
I’m going to play this one and I’ll trust yoshi P since I really enjoyed my time playing 14. He’s probably the best they have to run a mainline entry these days
I’m going to play this one and I’ll trust yoshi P since I really enjoyed my time playing 14. He’s probably the best they have to run a mainline entry these days
Posted on 6/6/23 at 9:12 am to Josh Fenderman
Man I hope the demo drops today there were supposed rumors it would be the 6th but that is wishful thinking it’s gonna be 8th announced at summer games fest. I am guessing at the end of a trailer for Rebirth.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:11 am to td01241
Daily rebirth news drop leading up to summer games fest
so theyve been doing one of these each day for 7 days leading up to what is anticipated to be the reveal. This is day 5s and I havent found any of them interesting enough to post until now but "new comrades will join you in battle and you can cooperate with other party members in even closer ways than before." This tickles my mind. I have to assume that means at least Vincent and Cid will be in the game but maybe im fantasizing. The latter could mean anything its kinda corpo speak it could be radical combat changes or just meaning controlling red 13.
Also if you care to go find each days news drop they each have something highlighted in green. Most of the community seems to think the green highlights are nods to something that the trailer will indicate.
so theyve been doing one of these each day for 7 days leading up to what is anticipated to be the reveal. This is day 5s and I havent found any of them interesting enough to post until now but "new comrades will join you in battle and you can cooperate with other party members in even closer ways than before." This tickles my mind. I have to assume that means at least Vincent and Cid will be in the game but maybe im fantasizing. The latter could mean anything its kinda corpo speak it could be radical combat changes or just meaning controlling red 13.
Also if you care to go find each days news drop they each have something highlighted in green. Most of the community seems to think the green highlights are nods to something that the trailer will indicate.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 11:14 am
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:13 pm to td01241
FF9 remake turn based
Have some good news for those wanting a return to turn based combat. Jeff Grub is breaking this not some rando from reset era.
Have some good news for those wanting a return to turn based combat. Jeff Grub is breaking this not some rando from reset era.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:27 pm to td01241
Downvote away figs 
Ever crisis, FF7 rebirth trailers in 2 days with the ff16 demo. Ff16 only weeks away AND an actual return to form turn based remake of ff9 on a scale somewhere between the 7 remake project and crisis core remastered in terms of ambition. FF fans are eating good and youre miserable losers go play game pass because apparently the xbox cant even beg square to let them have the 9 remake either. How embarrassing. At least you can pay your microtransactions at christmas time for a 6/10 bethesda game. OF course we all knew this was coming because I brought it to this board weeks back. seethe.
Can the xb0x handle the graphical powerhouse of final fantasy tactics remastered? It is yalls last shot.
Ever crisis, FF7 rebirth trailers in 2 days with the ff16 demo. Ff16 only weeks away AND an actual return to form turn based remake of ff9 on a scale somewhere between the 7 remake project and crisis core remastered in terms of ambition. FF fans are eating good and youre miserable losers go play game pass because apparently the xbox cant even beg square to let them have the 9 remake either. How embarrassing. At least you can pay your microtransactions at christmas time for a 6/10 bethesda game. OF course we all knew this was coming because I brought it to this board weeks back. seethe. Can the xb0x handle the graphical powerhouse of final fantasy tactics remastered? It is yalls last shot.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:45 pm to td01241
I’m just disappointed FF7 remake part 2 and FF16 don’t have a PS4 release because I can’t afford to buy a new console right now.
Posted on 6/6/23 at 6:54 pm to kingbob
Well idk when the ff9 remake will materialize if rebirth comes in December like hoped or March at the latest I assume it will be their next big release and if it’s ambition is tempered by how much of a decade long it’s taking to make 7s trilogy I imagine it’ll be able to handle a ps4 launch so you have that. Sucks you can’t afford the upgrade the ps5 ff16 bundle is a good deal. There’s an app called zip that will let you buy one kind like credit and pay it off over time. You end up paying like 50-100 more though depending on your credit score. I dont think they have a minimum requirement though so you could theoretically go get one with absolutely zero credit.
Plus ever crisis is a mobile game. Idk how I feel about them incorporating advent children into the story but I am willing to give it a go.
Plus ever crisis is a mobile game. Idk how I feel about them incorporating advent children into the story but I am willing to give it a go.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 12:42 pm to td01241
LINK
Memoria project trailer released.I am not shocked this finally is released a day before summer games fest and a day after Jeff Grub blew the lid on a remakes existence beyond any doubt. For those of you who dont know this is a 5 minute proof of concept of with world class talent initially just recreating the opening segment as Vivi as a love letter to the game and I wouldnt be surprised if this is the going to end up being the art style /look of the remake or even what inspired square to even have the idea for it.
On an unrelated note anyone looking forward to the very likely release of the ff16 demo id ensure you update your ps5 today if you havent been on they did release a software update yesterday and since they never stop belting about ff16 being used "for the full power of the ps5" I would not be shocked at all one bit if this update was entirely sent out solely to smooth out that one game as much as possible. Assuming everything is correct and we do get the demo I will be downloading it tomorrow when it is available playing it and posting about it in this thread with full spoilers so if you don’t want to know anything about the first 2 hours of the game in pedantic detail and there is no longer any room in the title I wouldn’t return to the thread once the demo is released. Although it’s my opinion if you have watched all the trailers they’ve spoiled far too much of this game already. I mean it’s clearly heavily game of thrones influenced and the main character is a black haired bastard from a noble house with a dog.
Memoria project trailer released.I am not shocked this finally is released a day before summer games fest and a day after Jeff Grub blew the lid on a remakes existence beyond any doubt. For those of you who dont know this is a 5 minute proof of concept of with world class talent initially just recreating the opening segment as Vivi as a love letter to the game and I wouldnt be surprised if this is the going to end up being the art style /look of the remake or even what inspired square to even have the idea for it.
On an unrelated note anyone looking forward to the very likely release of the ff16 demo id ensure you update your ps5 today if you havent been on they did release a software update yesterday and since they never stop belting about ff16 being used "for the full power of the ps5" I would not be shocked at all one bit if this update was entirely sent out solely to smooth out that one game as much as possible. Assuming everything is correct and we do get the demo I will be downloading it tomorrow when it is available playing it and posting about it in this thread with full spoilers so if you don’t want to know anything about the first 2 hours of the game in pedantic detail and there is no longer any room in the title I wouldn’t return to the thread once the demo is released. Although it’s my opinion if you have watched all the trailers they’ve spoiled far too much of this game already. I mean it’s clearly heavily game of thrones influenced and the main character is a black haired bastard from a noble house with a dog.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:58 pm to td01241
Excited for this game. Like dark fantasy types. Would have been happier if it was turn based but oh well.
Ironically given the obvious Western inspiration behind this game it shouldn't have been a PS5 exclusive. Xbox gamers would probably eat this shite up since the console is starved for quality RPGs and Starfield is still several months away.
Imo bad decision. I think the exclusivity is some BS but it is what it is.
Edit: what's up with the downvotes in this thread
Ironically given the obvious Western inspiration behind this game it shouldn't have been a PS5 exclusive. Xbox gamers would probably eat this shite up since the console is starved for quality RPGs and Starfield is still several months away.
Imo bad decision. I think the exclusivity is some BS but it is what it is.
Edit: what's up with the downvotes in this thread
This post was edited on 6/8/23 at 12:24 am
Posted on 6/8/23 at 7:55 am to USMCguy121
Sony and Final Fantasy are synonymous.
This is the first FF on next gen console and it makes sense that it’s exclusive to drive sales.
Most Final Fantasy fans…don’t own Xbox or have both.
This is the first FF on next gen console and it makes sense that it’s exclusive to drive sales.
Most Final Fantasy fans…don’t own Xbox or have both.
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:32 pm to MFn GIMP
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I've already preordered this but for the love of God bring back turn based Final Fantasy.
If you want turn based RPGs, they still make those games. Dragon Quest, Bravely Default, and Octopath Traveler both fill that void.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 10:48 pm
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