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I feel like I’ve hit a wall in strength. Particularly bench press.

Posted on 5/2/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted by VanRIch
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 12:18 pm
I have maxed 275 but it’s not consistent. Some days I can but more often I can’t. And I’ve tried 280 a few times and haven’t been able to get it. I also feel like my workout sets have plateaued. I’ve been doing various PPSA programs for almost a year. And while they’ve allowed me to progress better than any other program I’ve done, I’m just at a wall. This is mainly with bench press. Any advice to get over the hump would be appreciated!
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 12:27 pm to
I think sometimes you just aren’t going to bench more unless you gain weight. I’ve essentially benched the same for 3 years. Maybe if I went with a bench program only, I could improve it through technique improvement, but that’s not my goal. I want to be well rounded
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 12:50 pm to
I'm not a sports scientist but if you are progressively overloading and not gaining strength it's probably diet. Possibly over training.
Posted by Loup
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 1:27 pm to
Up your dose, baw.
Posted by whiskey over ice
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 1:30 pm to
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 1:31 pm to
So many things it could be. Sticking simply with a program change type of suggestion, I would get away from the bench press, pick a similar movement, and run that block for 8-12 weeks, trying to peak that. Then perhaps go back to your PPSA program (I am unfamiliar with those) and run it on the BP, hopefully the strength you gained on the new movement translates to gain on the BP, it should. This is a Westside Barbell type of approach I find that works. Figure out your weak spots and perhaps tailor it that, for example if your triceps/lockout is the problem, run the new block doing closer grip bench presses vs. regular.

This works well for me. I've been training powerlifting/strongman this way for over 35 years. At some point the law of accomodation kicks in, and your body gets used to the constant stimulus of the same movement pattern. I rotate variations of the compound movements every other week. Matt Wenning is a big fan of this due to what he calls reducing mileage, repetitive stress, etc.
This post was edited on 5/2/23 at 1:33 pm
Posted by lsu777
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

So many things it could be. Sticking simply with a program change type of suggestion, I would get away from the bench press, pick a similar movement, and run that block for 8-12 weeks, trying to peak that. Then perhaps go back to your PPSA program (I am unfamiliar with those) and run it on the BP, hopefully the strength you gained on the new movement translates to gain on the BP, it should. This is a Westside Barbell type of approach I find that works. Figure out your weak spots and perhaps tailor it that, for example if your triceps/lockout is the problem, run the new block doing closer grip bench presses vs. regular.

This works well for me. I've been training powerlifting/strongman this way for over 35 years. At some point the law of accomodation kicks in, and your body gets used to the constant stimulus of the same movement pattern. I rotate variations of the compound movements every other week. Matt Wenning is a big fan of this due to what we calls reducing mileage, repetitive stress, etc.



this

first suggestion from me is going to be do a bench specific program from ppsa

2nd...switch bench for incline in the programs and push that up until you hit same kind of wall

3rd...go westside approach of max effort/dynamic effort days and monitor bar speed, use accomadating resistance or pauses etc etc etc

and you dont have to go full conjugate, just start implementing some things like bands etc
Posted by TU Rob
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

I would get away from the bench press, pick a similar movement, and run that block for 8-12 weeks, trying to peak that. Then perhaps go back to your PPSA program (I am unfamiliar with those) and run it on the BP, hopefully the strength you gained on the new movement translates to gain on the BP, it should.


We did this in high school in the spring workouts one year. We had a powerlifter as our new S&C coach, and he told us he was going to increase our max bench over 8 weeks without doing actual bench press one time. I remember lots of chest fly, triceps work, shoulder work, etc. Sure enough mine went from around 185 (I was a skinny little runt in high school) to around 215.

We also did a STUD (Squat 'til U Drop) workout every Monday. Everyone maxed out in bench and squat the first of January, and that was our baseline for the next couple of months of workouts. Squats were some percentage of your max, and you would do sets of 10-8-6-4-2 with slight increases in weight each set, and the last set, as the name implied, you kept hitting reps with that weight until you failed. Week 1 was amazing. You were so used to loading heavy and just trying to get 3-4 reps out of it, but with a spotter behind you, one on each side, and in a rack with a bar across it to catch the bar if needed, you might end up knocking out 7-8 reps until you failed. If you got more than 2 reps on that last set, the next week, add 5 lbs to each set and repeat. It was the first time I was introduced to a progressive overload approach, and it worked great.

Those days are in my past now, and I stick to dumbbell workouts and Peloton at the house, but varying up your workouts are great for busting through a wall.

Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/2/23 at 4:13 pm to
Work on bracing, lat strength, proper arch (not some dumb shite where you look retarded), Unrack and lower with lats, you need to do heavy af reps to get CNS used to it, make sure the bar is in your hands correctly, push your body into the bench as you are benching, follow any strength focused program like westside, DC training, and maybe some of the PPSA ones but I haven't tried any of them for actual strength but I'm sure they are fine.


I hope you like my really long sentence

I forgot to say do weighted dips.
This post was edited on 5/2/23 at 4:15 pm
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 6:35 am to
Curious on your age, as this is often the moment to consider risk/benefit of pushing more. I know so many who sustained a fairly major injury driving bench beyond the breaking point.

My answers: Weighted dips, incline. Consider getting the help of a coach to help with technique tips if it’s really important to you.
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 8:22 am to
Yeah I probably should ease up a bit and concentrate on just maintaining and staying overall healthy. I’m 44
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Curious on your age, as this is often the moment to consider risk/benefit of pushing more. I know so many who sustained a fairly major injury driving bench beyond the breaking point.


imo deoends more on training age than actual age but certainly at some point you look to maintain and start chasing other records and rotating exercises.

this is how the conjugate method was born in russia and perfected through westside. once you reach a certain level, you cant progress just by doing bench over and over. 3 weeks and you are going to start going backwards on it when working max effort once you reach a certain level.

couple lifts that havent been mentioned is....floor press, and bench with bands, both normal and reverse. floor press and reverse bench is great as you age.
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3286 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 10:53 am to
lsu777 once again has good suggestions as always.

One block I do for pressing strength is I get off the BP and do an 8-10 week block with heavy dumbells. We ALL have one arm that is a little stronger than the other. BIG fan of single leg/arm work, not letting one arm compensate more for the other. Dumbells also add an element of shoulder stabilizing that provides a much different stimulus than BP. Provided your gym has DB's heavy enough for you. I won't do a one rep max on my DB cycle for safety reasons, but perhaps work up to a 5RM. I also tend to come away with slightly better chest development from the dumbells even thought I train for strength.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:36 am to
To add to that, if you don’t have dbs big enough, wrap a band around then and do chaos bench and work the stabilizers.
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:46 am to
Yeah I work out at PF and the biggest DBs they have is 75. Which, unfortunately, is not much of a challenge for me. It’s plenty for just about everything else but they’re more of a high rep option for db bench press.
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

wrap a band around then and do chaos bench and work the stabilizers.

You mean hang weights off the bench. I’ve never done that but I’ve used a camber squat bar for bench, and that’s definitely different. Just a pain in the arse to set up.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37502 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

You mean hang weights off the bench. I’ve never done that but I’ve used a camber squat bar for bench, and that’s definitely different. Just a pain in the arse to set up.


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hang the dumbells from thick bands and press the bands or attach bands to handles with DB on other end.

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Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
5823 posts
Posted on 5/3/23 at 3:27 pm to
Might just be at your natural physical limits. It happens.. I'm 45 and my bench is relative to my weight. I'm not gonna ever Bench heavier. If I gain 20lbs I will bench 20lbs more and vice versa
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Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/3/23 at 8:11 pm to
My upper limit was structural. I could feel my shoulder giving way and wasn't going to go any higher without risking injury. I work toward multiple rep maxes now.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 6:37 am to
First place I look is technique. Maybe something you are or are not doing is keeping you from executing the lift. Then I look at recovery. If you aren’t sleeping well and recovering properly, you will stall. Next I would look at your program. I see you’re running PPSA. I don’t know much about that one, but that’s the check list I like to follow when I stall. Also, you won’t hit your best numbers all the time. A lot can factor into how well you perform in a max effort attempt. Some days you’re just not as strong as you could be. That’s okay. It’s about being stronger further out in time.
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