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Scope Help- Explain this stuff to me like I'm five

Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:33 am
Posted by Tiger Pants 318
Member since Jan 2022
56 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:33 am
I'm a lifelong bird hunter and spend at least 30 days a year in the blind. That said, I do enjoy taking a deer every so often just for the freezer. I got a Browning Medallion in 300WSM for Christmas many years ago and being the broke college kid, I just tossed on a Nikon Prostaff scope and it's always been sufficient for knocking down a doe or something at 100-150 yards. Recognizing that I had the equivalent of a Corvette with $200 tires on it, my thought was that if I could ever afford a hunt that required better optics, I could afford a better scope too.

Last month, I was invited to go on a pretty legit deer hunt. It had been a few years since I had fired the gun, so went to site it in and couldn't find paper at 100. Walked it in to 50 and it was high 8 inches, left 8 inches. Made necessary adjustments and it was still high and left 7 or 8 inches. Despite the amount of adjustments, it just wouldn't come down or over. Ended up borrowing a buddies rifle for the weekend.

I've started my hunt for a new scope and am willing to put something on it that is more in line with the gun's capabilities. That said, I didn't grow up shooting a lot of rifles and I am having trouble making heads or tails of the scopes advertised capabilities. For example, the Leuopold VX-3HD CDS-ZL 4.5-14X 50MM OBJ 20.50-7.60 FT @ 100 YDS FOV 1" TUBE BLACK sounds pretty badass, but I have no idea what all that crap means besides it comes in black and that something on it is 50MM in length or maybe circumference?

So, of all those numbers and decimals and crap, what are the numbers I need to care about? What numbers are just there to look cool? Not really looking for recommendations on scopes so much as an understanding of what all the data points are (though I am reading good things about Leupolds warranty).

Appreciate any thoughts yall have.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
6876 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:45 am to
CDS - Custom Dial System. You don’t need this unless you plan to shoot 400 yards plus.

You’ll be better served to tell us how far you plan to shoot and want to spend let us find you a scope.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
39885 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:45 am to
quote:

Leuopold VX


You're on the right track.

quote:

50MM OBJ


50 mm objective. It has the larger end facing down range. 40 mm is more common/standard size scope, but 50 mm is popular as it gathers more light.

quote:

1" TUBE


Standard scope ring size for attachment.

Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49514 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:46 am to
No shame in your question

for the one you asked about.
quote:

Leuopold VX-3HD CDS-ZL 4.5-14X 50MM OBJ 20.50-7.60 FT @ 100 YDS FOV 1" TUBE




first number, the 3, it means the scope has a basic 3x zoom from min to max (4.5*3= ~14)

thats where the next numbers come in. Min zoom 4.5x to max zoom 14x

50MM is the measurement of the diameter of the objective opening

20.50-7.60 FT @ 100 YDS FOV is just what the field of view at the min and max zoom is at 100 yds

1" tube is the diameter of the tube


the numbers you need to focus on are the zoom range, tube diameter, and objective size.

For whitetail, you really don't need much more than a 3x9 scope in general but it is sometimes nice to have 15x

I am a huge fan on the 44mm objective with a 30mm tube. Great light gathering for early and late
Posted by LSUduckhunter
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2005
117 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:48 am to
4.5 x 14x x 50mm

4.5 is the eye relief, typically in inches. Eye relief is the distance your eye will need to be from the scope to clearly see the image in the scope.

14x is the maximum magnification

50mm is the size of the front of the scope

Never really dealt with the objective numbers maybe someone smarter than me can help

1" tube will tell you what size of rings you will need to mount the scope on your rifle.

Hope this helps.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49514 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:50 am to
quote:

4.5 x 14x x 50mm

4.5 is the eye relief, typically in inches
this is incorrect
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
6876 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:50 am to
4.5 is the lowest power setting on the scope
Posted by Dlab2013
Pineville, Luzianna
Member since Jun 2013
9219 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 9:55 am to
quote:

Leuopold VX-3HD CDS-ZL 4.5-14X 50MM OBJ


Your still putting $200 tires on a Corvette.

Get a Swarovski Z3 or a Ziess Conquest and be done with it.
Posted by Tiger Pants 318
Member since Jan 2022
56 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:00 am to
quote:

basic 3x zoom from min to max (4.5*3= ~14)



Ok, so again, appreciate yall's patience with me, but does this mean that a (180 class 12 point) deer standing at 100 yards will appear to be as close as something standing at 33 yards?

quote:

Min zoom 4.5x to max zoom 14x

And if the above is true, what does this mean? Can I get something zoomed in 14x closer than the naked eye?









Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
22038 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:00 am to
quote:

1" TUBE


I would stay away from 1" tube scopes. I would get 30MM tube at a minimum. Better light transmission and more MOA out of larger tubes.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49514 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:06 am to
quote:

zoomed in 14x closer than the naked eye?
correct

and in general, the deer will look 3x bigger, in the scope, when you zoom from the min (4.5x) to the max (14x)
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 10:07 am
Posted by mrcoon
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2019
635 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:13 am to
There is a lot of bull crap out there about scopes and you will get a lot of ridiculous responses like a VX3 is some akin to putting cheap tires on a corvette or a 30mm tube makes a scope brighter.

All you "need" is a 3x9 or 4x12 with a 40mm objective scope of decent quality with a normal reticle. Sight it in for max point blank range and be done. In most cases that means 2" high at 100yds. A Leopold VX3 is more than sufficient.

"Don't dick with dials or you will have trials"

Marketing has all these idiots thinking normal deer hunters need that shite to shoot a deer. You don't. Leupold VX3's are offed in 3.5 x 10 and 4.5 x 14 with a normal duplex reticle or a B&C reticle. Either of those with a 40 or 50mm objective would be perfect. Also, don't get caught up in tube diameter. All that does is give you more adjustment for zeroing.

This old codger is a wealth of knowledge. Scope Facts
This post was edited on 2/24/23 at 10:20 am
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16435 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:22 am to
Remove bolt, center target in bore, check scope alignment relative to target and adjust accordingly, will save you ammo.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
6876 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:26 am to
The great thing is that “cheap tires” in 2023 are good quality scopes.
I just got a Meopta Optika 6 for $459 shipped. 30mm tube,
2.5-15x44 in BDC reticle, European made.
Posted by RoIITide
Member since Dec 2010
926 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:26 am to
quote:

Browning Medallion


Nice.

The VX-3HD is a good scope for the money. I have 2 of them. I did order one of the CDS dials for my specific caliber/load just because they had a promo for a free dial when I purchased it.

I agree with mrcoon that it’s not needed.

I think Nikon will still honor the lifetime warranty on the pro staff. It would be worth hanging onto (imo), since they quit making scopes (bad move, imo).
Posted by Tiger Pants 318
Member since Jan 2022
56 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:36 am to
quote:

"Don't dick with dials or you will have trials"


Yeah, I have some pretty grand fantasies of taking this gun out west some time for an elk or to Alaska for any number of critters, but when I see dudes with wrist bands with scope adjustments and formulas and stuff, it gets a little intimidating. (I'd note that I didnt see a lot of guys doing that until after Lone Survivor came out.) I'm not going to take a shot I'm not comfortable with, so if it requires consulting a flashcard, I'm prolly out.

quote:

Sight it in for max point blank range


Help me out here.
Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
18860 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:41 am to
Let us know when you take a deer with that fancy new scope that the old prosraff wouldn’t have

Include the reasons. Interested to know
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
29911 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:42 am to
My opinion: at 100 yards, if you aren't laying every round in that 1.3 inch circle, it aint the scope.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
6876 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:44 am to
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
6876 posts
Posted on 2/24/23 at 10:47 am to
I’ve killed elk, bighorn sheep, mule deer, antelope, and whitetails without turning dials. They can be a great tool, but aren’t a requirement for Western hunting by any means.
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