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Saints improve to rank second-to-last in cap space after Erik McCoy contract restructure

Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:18 am
Posted by GMoney2600
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:18 am
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How much work do the New Orleans Saints need to do before they’ll be compliant with the 2023 salary cap? They’re already busy getting towards that goal by restructuring their contracts with free safety Marcus Maye and starting center Erik McCoy, saving a combined $12,856,000 without releasing either player.

And those are substantial savings. But the team is still deep in the red by a margin of more than $46.9 million, per Over The Cap estimates (another outlet, Spotrac, has them at $44.3 million). Only the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are over the cap by a steeper degree at $55 million. So what moves can the Saints do next to continue chipping away at their deficit?

Expect more restructures for cornerstone players. The Saints can save more money in redoing contracts with Pro Bowlers like defensive end Cameron Jordan and cornerback Marshon Lattimore (saving $10 million each), right tackle Ryan Ramczyk ($9.6 million), linebacker Demario Davis ($5.8 million), and strong safety Tyrann Mathieu ($4.3 million). Restructuring those contracts alone, converting base salaries and roster bonuses into multiyear signing bonus, gets New Orleans to within $7.2 million of the spending limit.

This has been their main strategy at working around the salary cap. The players still get paid and the team gets some financial flexibility. There’s risk involved if those players don’t meet expectations and the team is left with a high cap hit, but it’s a risk worth taking if it means they can keep their best talents in the building.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:23 am to
Posted by funnystuff
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:26 am to
Sooo…. Just more can kicking?
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
11937 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:27 am to
They need to take the guillotine and reset the salary cap. This strategy is awful. Why do we encourage this? All it does is stretch out our liabilities.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:28 am to
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Why do we encourage this?
Define how "we" are encouraging this? Do you think Loomis waits to see what the fans on TD think?
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:32 am to
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This strategy is awful.

99% of the board agrees with you.

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They need to take the guillotine and reset the salary cap

At this time, it's actually required because how the contracts are structured. If the team does not get the roster under the cap, the league steps in and forces the contracts to get under the cap. They have never done this, but I can't imagine the moves would be very favorable to the team.

I'm actually surprised the league has not had enough of this BS and start putting limits on future salaries. I.e., next year can only be 120% of current year cap, year after that 125%...
Posted by adamb2151
Houston, Texas
Member since Jun 2013
6586 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:02 am to
The problem is the people making these decisions keep their jobs if we keep going 8-9. So they are totally fine keeping the team in mediocrity and selling to Gayle that we are in "win now" mode, bc they have no motivation to tank and risk losing their jobs.
This post was edited on 2/20/23 at 11:13 am
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
18176 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:28 am to
This board is a bunch of little bitches about the salary cap. We worry way much more about the cap than the Saints do
Posted by ForTheWin81
Member since Nov 2021
1180 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:30 am to
How is it our cap situation has been this horrible for this long? Is it just Brees, surely not. I'm sure MT hasn't helped. It seems like it's been this way for like 10 years
Posted by msstate7
Member since Oct 2014
11908 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:36 am to
This board bitches about everything lately
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
68871 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:40 am to
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I'm actually surprised the league has not had enough of this BS and start putting limits on future salaries. I.e., next year can only be 120% of current year cap, year after that 125%...


Wish they would. Protect Loomis from himself.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20040 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 12:15 pm to
Bunch of chicken littles whining about the cap and it’s never an issue to the team
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13061 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 12:24 pm to
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I'm actually surprised the league has not had enough of this BS and start putting limits on future salaries. I.e., next year can only be 120% of current year cap, year after that 125%...
I am surprised they have not close d the "voidable years" loophole. It clearly is only in place to circumvent the cap. I would bet that gets eliminated in the next negotiations.
Posted by Rand AlThor
Member since Jan 2014
9848 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 1:07 pm to
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Sooo…. Just more can kicking?

They literally do not have a choice. Could cut the entire roster and wouldn’t be compliant.
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
3957 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 4:15 pm to
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They literally do not have a choice. Could cut the entire roster and wouldn’t be compliant


Very true, it's looking like years to dig out of this. The posters who think this isn't a problem are short sighted. We simply are too cash strapped to sign top free agents and are staring at multiple losing consecutive seasons.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
10360 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 4:38 pm to
It's obvious that this will continue to be the strategy as long as Loomis is GM
Posted by uptowntiger84
uptown
Member since Jul 2011
4379 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 7:22 pm to
Let's kick the can down the road another 15 years! Stupid!!!!!
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31430 posts
Posted on 2/20/23 at 9:37 pm to
You can tell who on here has 0 understanding of the cap.

1. We have to get below the cap to begin with

2. Some contracts were designed with artificially high base salaries and roster bonuses to do this exact process

3. It only becomes a problem with bad contracts

4. You gotta let the next 2 years pass to get off bad contracts and dead money we accumulated by going all in (I.e. Brees, Thomas, taysom, Mathieu)
Posted by Wardniner01
Member since Dec 2020
2537 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 12:08 pm to
They are making room to sign Brady lmao jk
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451055 posts
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:05 pm to
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2. Some contracts were designed with artificially high base salaries and roster bonuses to do this exact process

No.

These are how all contracts are structured. We just dip into the well literally every season because we are so fricked in terms of the cap.

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3. It only becomes a problem with bad contracts

We have a ton of them

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4. You gotta let the next 2 years pass to get off bad contracts and dead money we accumulated by going all in (I.e. Brees, Thomas, taysom, Mathieu)

This would require that we not convert base salary into signing bonuses.

Hill has a $13.9M cap hit. His base salary is $9.9M of that. You think we just eat the $13.9M cap hit this year so we can cut him next year and eat the $9.8M in remaining pro-ration? Or do we eat the entire cap hit somehow this year (and still get to the cap) and then kick money down the road to 2025 and make him a post-June 1 hit? That would be a 3-year plan, technically, and would require no manipulation this year.

We have a similar problem with TM and his $8.9M cap number. $7M of that is convertible base, but manipulating that into a signing bonus extends your plan by probably another 2 years. Can we get under the cap with Mathieu eating up $8.9M of our 2023 cap? How do we keep both contracts as is on the books for 2023?
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