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Saints improve to rank second-to-last in cap space after Erik McCoy contract restructure
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:18 am
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:18 am
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How much work do the New Orleans Saints need to do before they’ll be compliant with the 2023 salary cap? They’re already busy getting towards that goal by restructuring their contracts with free safety Marcus Maye and starting center Erik McCoy, saving a combined $12,856,000 without releasing either player.
And those are substantial savings. But the team is still deep in the red by a margin of more than $46.9 million, per Over The Cap estimates (another outlet, Spotrac, has them at $44.3 million). Only the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are over the cap by a steeper degree at $55 million. So what moves can the Saints do next to continue chipping away at their deficit?
Expect more restructures for cornerstone players. The Saints can save more money in redoing contracts with Pro Bowlers like defensive end Cameron Jordan and cornerback Marshon Lattimore (saving $10 million each), right tackle Ryan Ramczyk ($9.6 million), linebacker Demario Davis ($5.8 million), and strong safety Tyrann Mathieu ($4.3 million). Restructuring those contracts alone, converting base salaries and roster bonuses into multiyear signing bonus, gets New Orleans to within $7.2 million of the spending limit.
This has been their main strategy at working around the salary cap. The players still get paid and the team gets some financial flexibility. There’s risk involved if those players don’t meet expectations and the team is left with a high cap hit, but it’s a risk worth taking if it means they can keep their best talents in the building.
How much work do the New Orleans Saints need to do before they’ll be compliant with the 2023 salary cap? They’re already busy getting towards that goal by restructuring their contracts with free safety Marcus Maye and starting center Erik McCoy, saving a combined $12,856,000 without releasing either player.
And those are substantial savings. But the team is still deep in the red by a margin of more than $46.9 million, per Over The Cap estimates (another outlet, Spotrac, has them at $44.3 million). Only the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are over the cap by a steeper degree at $55 million. So what moves can the Saints do next to continue chipping away at their deficit?
Expect more restructures for cornerstone players. The Saints can save more money in redoing contracts with Pro Bowlers like defensive end Cameron Jordan and cornerback Marshon Lattimore (saving $10 million each), right tackle Ryan Ramczyk ($9.6 million), linebacker Demario Davis ($5.8 million), and strong safety Tyrann Mathieu ($4.3 million). Restructuring those contracts alone, converting base salaries and roster bonuses into multiyear signing bonus, gets New Orleans to within $7.2 million of the spending limit.
This has been their main strategy at working around the salary cap. The players still get paid and the team gets some financial flexibility. There’s risk involved if those players don’t meet expectations and the team is left with a high cap hit, but it’s a risk worth taking if it means they can keep their best talents in the building.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:26 am to GMoney2600
Sooo…. Just more can kicking?
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:27 am to GMoney2600
They need to take the guillotine and reset the salary cap. This strategy is awful. Why do we encourage this? All it does is stretch out our liabilities.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:28 am to DiamondDog
quote:Define how "we" are encouraging this? Do you think Loomis waits to see what the fans on TD think?
Why do we encourage this?
Posted on 2/20/23 at 10:32 am to DiamondDog
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This strategy is awful.
99% of the board agrees with you.
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They need to take the guillotine and reset the salary cap
At this time, it's actually required because how the contracts are structured. If the team does not get the roster under the cap, the league steps in and forces the contracts to get under the cap. They have never done this, but I can't imagine the moves would be very favorable to the team.
I'm actually surprised the league has not had enough of this BS and start putting limits on future salaries. I.e., next year can only be 120% of current year cap, year after that 125%...
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:02 am to Weekend Warrior79
The problem is the people making these decisions keep their jobs if we keep going 8-9. So they are totally fine keeping the team in mediocrity and selling to Gayle that we are in "win now" mode, bc they have no motivation to tank and risk losing their jobs.
This post was edited on 2/20/23 at 11:13 am
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:28 am to adamb2151
This board is a bunch of little bitches about the salary cap. We worry way much more about the cap than the Saints do
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:30 am to GMoney2600
How is it our cap situation has been this horrible for this long? Is it just Brees, surely not. I'm sure MT hasn't helped. It seems like it's been this way for like 10 years
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:36 am to saints5021
This board bitches about everything lately
Posted on 2/20/23 at 11:40 am to Weekend Warrior79
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I'm actually surprised the league has not had enough of this BS and start putting limits on future salaries. I.e., next year can only be 120% of current year cap, year after that 125%...
Wish they would. Protect Loomis from himself.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 12:15 pm to msstate7
Bunch of chicken littles whining about the cap and it’s never an issue to the team
Posted on 2/20/23 at 12:24 pm to Weekend Warrior79
quote:I am surprised they have not close d the "voidable years" loophole. It clearly is only in place to circumvent the cap. I would bet that gets eliminated in the next negotiations.
I'm actually surprised the league has not had enough of this BS and start putting limits on future salaries. I.e., next year can only be 120% of current year cap, year after that 125%...
Posted on 2/20/23 at 1:07 pm to funnystuff
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Sooo…. Just more can kicking?
They literally do not have a choice. Could cut the entire roster and wouldn’t be compliant.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 4:15 pm to Rand AlThor
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They literally do not have a choice. Could cut the entire roster and wouldn’t be compliant
Very true, it's looking like years to dig out of this. The posters who think this isn't a problem are short sighted. We simply are too cash strapped to sign top free agents and are staring at multiple losing consecutive seasons.
Posted on 2/20/23 at 4:38 pm to NOSHAU
It's obvious that this will continue to be the strategy as long as Loomis is GM
Posted on 2/20/23 at 7:22 pm to GMoney2600
Let's kick the can down the road another 15 years! Stupid!!!!!
Posted on 2/20/23 at 9:37 pm to GMoney2600
You can tell who on here has 0 understanding of the cap.
1. We have to get below the cap to begin with
2. Some contracts were designed with artificially high base salaries and roster bonuses to do this exact process
3. It only becomes a problem with bad contracts
4. You gotta let the next 2 years pass to get off bad contracts and dead money we accumulated by going all in (I.e. Brees, Thomas, taysom, Mathieu)
1. We have to get below the cap to begin with
2. Some contracts were designed with artificially high base salaries and roster bonuses to do this exact process
3. It only becomes a problem with bad contracts
4. You gotta let the next 2 years pass to get off bad contracts and dead money we accumulated by going all in (I.e. Brees, Thomas, taysom, Mathieu)
Posted on 2/21/23 at 12:08 pm to GMoney2600
They are making room to sign Brady lmao jk
Posted on 2/21/23 at 8:05 pm to htran90
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2. Some contracts were designed with artificially high base salaries and roster bonuses to do this exact process
No.

These are how all contracts are structured. We just dip into the well literally every season because we are so fricked in terms of the cap.
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3. It only becomes a problem with bad contracts
We have a ton of them
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4. You gotta let the next 2 years pass to get off bad contracts and dead money we accumulated by going all in (I.e. Brees, Thomas, taysom, Mathieu)
This would require that we not convert base salary into signing bonuses.
Hill has a $13.9M cap hit. His base salary is $9.9M of that. You think we just eat the $13.9M cap hit this year so we can cut him next year and eat the $9.8M in remaining pro-ration? Or do we eat the entire cap hit somehow this year (and still get to the cap) and then kick money down the road to 2025 and make him a post-June 1 hit? That would be a 3-year plan, technically, and would require no manipulation this year.
We have a similar problem with TM and his $8.9M cap number. $7M of that is convertible base, but manipulating that into a signing bonus extends your plan by probably another 2 years. Can we get under the cap with Mathieu eating up $8.9M of our 2023 cap? How do we keep both contracts as is on the books for 2023?
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