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Annual Raise, Exceeds Expectations, Engineer

Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:56 pm
Posted by Virgo
Member since Aug 2017
166 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:56 pm
Coming up on annual performance reviews and raises. My supervisor has already I told me he’s graded me as “exceeds expectations” which is our highest possible ranking. How much of a raise would you expect to be reasonable for this grade this year? This is working in a chemical plant as a design engineer. FWIW, I’ve received “exceeds expectations” in 60% of my annual reviews, 80% if you discount the “meets expectations” the first year after only being there a few months. So I’ve demonstrated consistent, top performance.
Posted by tankyank13
NOLA
Member since Nov 2012
7942 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:58 pm to
4.25-6.00%

Eta- based on models I’ve seen.
I work for a large multinational company.
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 9:02 pm
Posted by Virgo
Member since Aug 2017
166 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:05 pm to
Thanks.

Also, what do others (particularly engineers) use as far as knowing market value? Best I have is salary.com, Glassdoor, a salary survey from a recruiter, and another salary survey from professional engineering organization.

They all show salary for different percentiles (median, 75%, etc), but hard to tell how to compare based on years experience, performance grades, etc.

Just wondering if there are other resources out there I’m missing.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3894 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:01 pm to
You’re worth what someone is willing to pay for you.

It really varies quite a bit as well. Performance is one thing, and can influence the company you elect work for. The Majors are going to pay more than smaller chemical facilities. Upstream more than Downstream. Consultants get a higher salary, but have weaker auxiliary benefits (401k, medical, vacation, etc).

I’d agree that 5-8% is a good expectation for this year at that performance. I know many companies also look at your pay scale for the job level, so if you’re approaching your maximum for the job level, could be lower.

My advice is be available to the market. You don’t have to actively look if you’re happy, but having some recruiters or other options pitched to you never hurts to know where you fall.
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
5238 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:05 pm to
Tell us what you make and we'll tell you how badly you're getting screwed.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41788 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:41 pm to
3% instead of 2.5
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22501 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 6:15 am to
OP maybe I’m reading it wrong but you seem frustrated and like you are expecting to be disappointed by a raise that’s not going to meet your expectations.

A raise is going to vary greatly by your company. For most people, a big raise yearly is not normal. Most get a couple big raises in their entire life, a bunch of small raises, and then promotions that generally will include a raise and could be a huge increase in pay.

Just because you get a small raise doesn’t mean much. It could simply mean you are nearing the top of the pay range for your position but also likely to get a huge promotion soon that will also have a huge raise.

As said you should be extremely happy with what you get and if it’s not what you think you deserve then definitely apply for other jobs. The only way to prove to everyone what you are worth is going out there and getting it, sometimes that means at another company.
Posted by Virgo
Member since Aug 2017
166 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:09 am to
quote:

OP maybe I’m reading it wrong but you seem frustrated and like you are expecting to be disappointed by a raise that’s not going to meet your expectations.


I’m not frustrated and haven’t been looking for jobs, but I get contacted by recruiters regularly. I try to get salary info from recruiters to see how I compare.

Fwiw I’m at $132k base, 8% bonus potential, 7% match, 4 weeks vacation. ChemE with 10.5 yrs experience and PE, so I definitely don’t think I’m maxing out. Raise should get announced in the next two weeks. I’m not in Louisiana or Texas, so I understand I’m in a lower paying region than those areas.

If it’s about 5% raise, that will keep me around 60-70th percentile for my region and experience level based on salary data I’ve found which seems reasonable I guess. I was shared data from a recruiter that showed 6-15% raises from 2022 to 2023 for ChemE’s, with more in the >10% range.

Really initially just wondering how other companies (particularly chemical operators) reward for top performance reviews. For example, if the baseline cost of living adjustment is 3% and you get a top performance review, are companies rewarding extra and giving 4%, 5%, 6%…? Trying to temper disappointment if it’s 4-5% for me this year considering inflation the last few years and being recognized as a top performer.

This post was edited on 2/10/23 at 7:11 am
Posted by Elusiveporpi
Below I-10
Member since Feb 2011
2648 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:49 am to
quote:

3% instead of 2.5

This, I’m in the Industry as well. I’ve exceeded expectations almost every year. Doesn’t make a difference.

You want a big raise, switch companies. Stay for experience.
Posted by jsk020
Nola
Member since Jan 2013
1738 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 7:55 am to
I’m around your level 9 yes exp EE with PE. I’m around the same pay. Hard to be upset with 130k lol. Can you get more? Probably, but do you like your company? If the culture sucks then go look
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
19963 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:08 am to
In my experience your actual graded performance means very little, it is almost entirely in your people leaders' hands as to what type of increase you get.

Typically it is 2-3% COL raise and then from there your manager can add another 2-4%.

I have only seen large increases from a promotion.

Posted by Roux57
Da Boot
Member since Jul 2021
175 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:17 am to
quote:

$132k base, 8% bonus potential, 7% match...10.5 yrs. experience


Granted, I am only 3 years into my structural engineer career on large-scale hydraulic structures, but yeah just wanted to let you know I am real jealous
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
4771 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:19 am to
quote:

Fwiw I’m at $132k base,


I don't know anything about that career but that seems awfully low pay for that field. No?

It's good money but if you had me guess, I was thinking 200-250k range.
Posted by Clint Torres
Member since Oct 2011
2791 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:21 am to
If making more is very important, go work for someone else.. very hard to make significantly more at one company; they generally even low ball promotions.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90033 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:24 am to
quote:

This, I’m in the Industry as well. I’ve exceeded expectations almost every year. Doesn’t make a difference. You want a big raise, switch companies. Stay for experience.


Best advice in the thread. Goes for almost any industry
Posted by Virgo
Member since Aug 2017
166 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:40 am to
quote:

I’m around your level 9 yes exp EE with PE. I’m around the same pay. Hard to be upset with 130k lol. Can you get more? Probably, but do you like your company? If the culture sucks then go look


I certainly live a comfortable lifestyle with my salary, but I also don’t want to work less than I could easily be making.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3894 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 8:51 am to
quote:

Really initially just wondering how other companies (particularly chemical operators) reward for top performance reviews. For example, if the baseline cost of living adjustment is 3% and you get a top performance review, are companies rewarding extra and giving 4%, 5%, 6%…? Trying to temper disappointment if it’s 4-5% for me this year considering inflation the last few years and being recognized as a top performer.

All companies do it slightly differently. In general, it’s based on experience in role/company/industry, performance grade, and % in pay range.

The consistently high performance reviews should have you targeting a promotion, not just looking for larger raises in role.

If you’re being stymied for advancement, that’s when it’s time to look externally.

A ChemE with 10+ years experience, PE, and high performance at $132k is a little underpaid at a Major or consulting firm, but likely right in line for a smaller chemical operator, particularly outside of LA/TX.

$200k+ is a little off IMO, but I think there is certainly some potential on the market. You just need to determine if changing companies and gaining another $10-20k+ in salary is worth the change.
Posted by Virgo
Member since Aug 2017
166 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 9:22 am to
I did receive a promotion in May ‘21 with a 5% raise. I will qualify for a promotion to the next level on our engineering matrix in a year or two.

Assuming I get a 5% raise this month, that’ll put me at ~$139k base which seems ok for 11 years experience and not working in TX/LA. I feel that as a top performer, I could probably justify a 0-5% bump on top of this before my next promotion
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
19248 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:02 am to
quote:

For example, if the baseline cost of living adjustment is 3% and you get a top performance review, are companies rewarding extra and giving 4%, 5%, 6%…? Trying to temper disappointment if it’s 4-5% for me this year considering inflation the last few years and being recognized as a top performer.

If they try to justify a lower raise by saying they included a 3% COLA, I would point out to them that the SS COLA for 2023 was 8.7%. When it was review time, I just skipped the process because we were bumping everyone up a minimum of 8% anyway.
Posted by bod312
Member since Jul 2015
846 posts
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:17 am to
Every company handles compensation differently. In my experience achieving an exceeds expectations rating may not directly correlate to a significant difference in the annual raise. It will generally be higher but may not be a huge difference. Your raises are also impacted by other factors than simply your performance as most large companies have pay bands/ranges. If you are high in the pay range, you aren't likely to get as high a raise as you could have if you were lower in the range. This does not mean it doesn't significantly impact your overall compensation.

Your upward mobility should have a higher ceiling and happen more quickly. Those quicker promotions and higher overall potential will lead to higher compensation.

Another method of increasing compensation is higher bonus payouts for high performers. RSUs distributed to high performers is a common practice that increases your compensation while incentivizing you to stay at the company. This varies greatly by company and job level typically. Another method is an "in job level promotion". These are raises without an actual promotion to a new job level. These are raises (outside the normal annual cycle) that happen more often for high performers and does not replace the annual raise (so 2 raises in 1 year).

This is my experience and your specific company may handle it differently. For the record, I work at a large chemical company in LA. One more thing to keep in mind is the overall health of the company. Some chemical companies are struggling right now whereas some of their competitors (for talent more so than product market share) are still doing well.
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