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re: 73 year old rancher shoots and kills illegal immigrant on his ranch.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:44 am to TDTOM
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:44 am to TDTOM
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No, frick these people.
Exactly. I couldn't give a shite less about anyone that doesn't have any respect for our immigration laws. I wish these people nothing but misery.
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:45 am to armtackledawg
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Of course, but don't you think killing a man for it is a little extreme unless there is some threat to your life?
Absolutely.
Next time some stranger is on his property he should ask him what he wants for dinner and then let him frick his daughter as a gesture of good will.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:45 am to Timeoday
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But under Arizona law, deadly force is allowed on one's own property if the homeowner believes it 'immediately necessary' to prevent trespassing.
I don’t believe this is accurate.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:47 am to Timeoday
That dude would've disappeared on my property.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:48 am to armtackledawg
The threat to your life is the scenario a few years down the road, and at that time when you are afraid to exit the house after dark those like you will be looking for someone to blame that the country descended into lawlessness. I would no bill this man.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:55 am to Tuscaloosa
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I don’t believe this is accurate.
You are welcome to disprove it. Maybe you can educate everyone.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:04 am to DamnGood86
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You are welcome to disprove it. Maybe you can educate everyone.
I haven’t done much other than a Google search, which comes up empty for any such statute. However, deductive reasoning leads me to believe if any such statute existed, a First Degree murder charge with a $1,000,000 bond that the judge refused to reduce probably wouldn’t have been levied.
If anyone can provide a link to that statute, or even a website reference from a law firm discussing it, I’d love to see it. I wasn’t able to find anything.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:05 am to Buryl
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I can guarantee that this isnt accurate. That means if my 81 year old neighbor cuts through my lawn on his morning walk, I can just shoot him? Gonna need to see a link to a statute.
The statute’s called the Left frigging America up to the point we citizens are going to have to take matters into our own hands. This is a tiny foretaste of what’s to come as they continue to steal elections
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:07 am to Buryl
Why was an illegal there?
And if the US government did its job and kept illegals in detention until deportation this never would have happened. Joe Biden murdered an illegal is what I'm hearing.
You have never been off alone or in the middle of nowhere and the only face you see is that of a stranger that shouldn't be there it's not a warm and fuzzy feeling
And if the US government did its job and kept illegals in detention until deportation this never would have happened. Joe Biden murdered an illegal is what I'm hearing.
You have never been off alone or in the middle of nowhere and the only face you see is that of a stranger that shouldn't be there it's not a warm and fuzzy feeling
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:07 am to Tuscaloosa
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First Degree murder charge with a $1,000,000 bond that the judge refused to reduce
The judge is obviously in favor of open borders.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:08 am to Buryl
Why was an illegal there?
And if the US government did its job and kept illegals in detention until deportation this never would have happened. Joe Biden murdered an illegal is what I'm hearing.
You have never been off alone or in the middle of nowhere and the only face you see is that of a stranger that shouldn't be there it's not a warm and fuzzy feeling
And if the US government did its job and kept illegals in detention until deportation this never would have happened. Joe Biden murdered an illegal is what I'm hearing.
You have never been off alone or in the middle of nowhere and the only face you see is that of a stranger that shouldn't be there it's not a warm and fuzzy feeling
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:10 am to BuckyCheese
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The judge is obviously in favor of open borders.
Possibly. But if there were a statute on the books absolving someone from blame for killing someone to keep them from trespassing, it wouldn’t matter how liberal the judge is. The worst public defender in the universe would have had him out of jail within hours.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:10 am to Buryl
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But under Arizona law, deadly force is allowed on one's own property if the homeowner believes it 'immediately necessary' to prevent trespassing.
I can guarantee that this isnt accurate. That means if my 81 year old neighbor cuts through my lawn on his morning walk, I can just shoot him? Gonna need to see a link to a statute.
I tend to agree; further in the article it says:
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Under Arizona law, 'a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when, and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force.'
Some may think it should be legal shoot trespassers on your ranch, but it is not legal to use deadly force unless attacked.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:11 am to Audustxx
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(A) He didn’t think it had a live round
(B) He didn’t pull trigger
(C) "I don't know what happened, it just went off".
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:11 am to armtackledawg
quote:No. You trespass on my property, you should expect the possibility of being shot.
Of course, but don't you think killing a man for it is a little extreme unless there is some threat to your life?
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:12 am to Tuscaloosa
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if any such statute existed, a First Degree murder charge with a $1,000,000 bond that the judge refused to reduce probably wouldn’t have been levied.
Because they're never political?
I have no idea if the statute exists but I don't buy your reasoning.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:12 am to BigMob
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The statutes called the Left frigging America up to the point we citizens are going to have to take matters into our own hand. This is a tiny foretaste of what’s to come as they continue to steal elections
I don't disagree and never said otherwise. I'm saying that Arizona law does not authorize deadly force to prevent trespassing, whether anyone likes it or not.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:12 am to Buryl
quote:Presented without comnent:
if my 81 year old neighbor cuts through my lawn on his morning walk, I can just shoot him? Gonna need to see a link to a statute.
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13-407. Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises
A. A person or his agent in lawful possession or control of premises is justified in threatening to use deadly physical force or in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent that a reasonable person would believe it immediately necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of a criminal trespass by the other person in or upon the premises.
B. A person may use deadly physical force under subsection A only in the defense of himself or third persons as described in sections 13-405 and 13-406.
C. In this section, "premises" means any real property and any structure, movable or immovable, permanent or temporary, adapted for both human residence and lodging whether occupied or not.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 11:15 am
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:13 am to Tuscaloosa
quote:Your belief would be correct.
But under Arizona law, deadly force is allowed on one's own property if the homeowner believes it 'immediately necessary' to prevent trespassing.quote:
I don’t believe this is accurate.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:15 am to AggieHank86
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B. A person may use deadly physical force under subsection A only in the defense of himself or third persons as described in sections 13-405 and 13-406.
Here’s his problem.
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