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re: Trey only started 1 game last season
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:35 pm to Broski
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:35 pm to Broski
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So he's not a bad defender but not an average one? That's the definition of bad. He has been a terrible defender this season. Trey has a shite ton of upside and tonight was a fantastic game from him, but a lot of people in this thread are getting drunk off of one performance. His full body of work this season has been underwhelming on the whole. He needs to show he can string games together, not saying he needs to make 30 on 9 FG every night, but it'd be nice if he can string 4 or 5 games together where he makes 3+ three's a game
How has he been underwhelming on the whole of the season? He’s improved in almost every area and has elite efficiency. What were you expecting from him?
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:37 pm to Balsamic_duck
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He’s improved in almost every area and has elite efficiency
It's easy to improve in every area when he hardly played last season, doesn't mean he has been good this year. Look up his 3pt shooting % for the last two months.
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What were you expecting from him?
To be the best 3pt shooter on the team and take the most on the team by hunting for 3's instead of just waiting for himself to magically get open while standing in the corner (something he did tonight and I was very happy with).
ETA: CJ is averaging 2 more 3pt attempts per game, that shouldn't happen.
ETA2: For a dude that is averaging starter minutes and shooting nearly 50% from the field, he should be averaging more than 12.7 ppg.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:51 pm to Broski
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To be the best 3pt shooter on the team and take the most on the team by hunting for 3's instead of just waiting for himself to magically get open while standing in the corner (something he did tonight and I was very happy with). ETA: CJ is averaging 2 more 3pt attempts per game, that shouldn't happen. ETA2: For a dude that is averaging starter minutes and shooting nearly 50% from the field, he should be averaging more than 12.7 ppg.
He is 1 of 10 players averaging at least 13 pts/game on at least 65% TS. He’s doing that as a sophomore. That’s is elite. Clearly your expectations were out of this world
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:53 pm to Balsamic_duck
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He is 1 of 10 players averaging at least 13 pts/game on at least 65% TS.
Who are the other 9 and what are their PPG and FGA averages?
I'm not saying he's not efficient when he shoots the ball. The issue is that he doesn't work to shoot the ball enough.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:54 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:100%
He is 1 of 10 players averaging at least 13 pts/game on at least 65% TS. He’s doing that as a sophomore. That’s is elite. Clearly your expectations were out of this world
Sure, we'd all like to see him shoot more but to say he's underwhelmed is wild.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:55 pm to Broski
Steph
KD
Gobert
Jokic
Sabonis
Markannen
Jarrett Allen
Zion
Claxton
Trey
You can looks up the rest but those are all either stars or center and then there’s trey
KD
Gobert
Jokic
Sabonis
Markannen
Jarrett Allen
Zion
Claxton
Trey
You can looks up the rest but those are all either stars or center and then there’s trey
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:56 pm to shel311
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Sure, we'd all like to see him shoot more but to say he's underwhelmed is wild.
His three point percentage from mid-December through January was below 35%. That's underwhelming.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:56 pm to Balsamic_duck
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You can looks up the rest but those are all either stars or center and then there’s trey
Now compare FGA and PPG
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:58 pm to Broski
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Now compare FGA and PPG
He’s 8th out of those 10. Above gobert and Claxton. Only people he’s below are stars in this league
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:58 pm to Bronc
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Another player this board was going into clown shoes territory about during the losing streak.
Murphy to me remains the best non-Zion pick of the Griff era. Dyson a close second.
To me he is the most untouchable player of all our young developmental guys.
His upside is a near all star level player.
Easily his best non-zion pick.
Someone needs to bump some of those trey threads. Almost as bad as the ingram threads.
Trey is really explosive off the dribble.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:59 pm to Balsamic_duck
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He’s 8th out of those 10. Above gobert and Claxton. Only people he’s below are stars in this league
So why isn't he taking more shots?
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:01 pm to Broski
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So why isn't he taking more shots?
Because he is a sophomore on a winning team with 3 established scorers. Growth isn’t linear
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:05 pm to Balsamic_duck
He has hardly been on the floor with BI, Zion and Ingram… so that’s not it.
Hell he just came off a stretch of 11 straight games without both Zion and Ingram dressing out… and he still didn’t take more shots.
Hell he just came off a stretch of 11 straight games without both Zion and Ingram dressing out… and he still didn’t take more shots.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:06 pm to Broski
Because he’s a 2nd year guy that always has a defender glued to him in a system where he’s supposed to shoot or pass within half a second of getting the ball. He also has gotten an early hook most of the year when he screwed up too much on defense.
Give him time to grow and become more confident and he’ll get more aggressive. Look at his comment tonight on tapping into his BI skill set. He’ll get there.
Give him time to grow and become more confident and he’ll get more aggressive. Look at his comment tonight on tapping into his BI skill set. He’ll get there.
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:06 pm to Broski
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CJ is averaging 2 more 3pt attempts per game, that shouldn't happen.
You are actually the only person in any Pels space I have come across that has stated that they truly believed a guy that was slotted to be our 7th or 8th man should be expected to lead the team in 3PA with a guy like CJ McCollum on the roster. Someone that routinely is in the top 20 of three point attempts every year.
I think your expectations are way out of line with what was realistic for a guy that barely played last year. By most standards Trey is having a great sophomore season and has a very solid ceiling in this league
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:06 pm to Broski
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Trey has a shite ton of upside and tonight was a fantastic game from him, but a lot of people in this thread are getting drunk off of one performance. His full body of work this season has been underwhelming on the whole.
17th pick
solid rotation piece, who provides positive minutes and spacing.
What more are you expecting?
Shooting? Shooters are streaky --- yes even Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.
Defense? Agreed, however he's far from a complete albatross
Rebounding? I can get behind this, he's too passive
Offense? He's not a good ball handler, this has been proven time and time again.
He's a 2nd year player who's a net positive when he's on the court. top 50 in 3pt %.
Do I wish he was shooting >40% and something more like 8-9 attempts a game, ABSOLUTELY. But of the 3 rookies from last year, he's definitely been the one to take the largest leap since draft night.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:08 pm to Broski
quote:What?
His three point percentage from mid-December through January was below 35%. That's underwhelming.
From 12/15 through 1/31, he shot exactly 40% from 3.
Still underwhelmed?
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:09 pm to Broski
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He has hardly been on the floor with BI, Zion and Ingram… so that’s not it. Hell he just came off a stretch of 11 straight games without both Zion and Ingram dressing out… and he still didn’t take more shots.
It’s because those guys aren’t on the floor. He doesn’t have a pull up jumper. That’s something he needs to work on. So he is relying on catch and shoot stuff on a floor with not many creators without Zion and BI. It’s not a coincidence the stretch of games you listed where his 3P% was down was mostly without BI and Zion. You can want him to shoot more that’s fine but to say he’s been underwhelming is ludicrous.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:09 pm to htran90
I want him to shoot more.
We need him to shoot more since we are lacking shooters. If that hurts his TS, so be it, but he has to be more aggressive like he was tonight, even if he goes 2/11 instead of 9/11
We need him to shoot more since we are lacking shooters. If that hurts his TS, so be it, but he has to be more aggressive like he was tonight, even if he goes 2/11 instead of 9/11
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:10 pm to Broski
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His three point percentage from mid-December through January was below 35%. That's underwhelming.
Dec 15 - Jan 31
50.5/40.0/93.0
per basketball reference
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