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re: BayouTraditions and similar NIL “collectives” are offensive.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:19 am to TJG210
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:19 am to TJG210
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What happens when people start refusing to pay? Like someone else said, I’d rather see us go 0-12 rather than give a nickel out of my pocket to fuel this nonsense.
Greed from the university/players will ultimately collegiate athletics undoing.
College sports needs to return to a student-athlete model. Anyone looking for money or pay-for-play should choose a professional league.
For those that keep harping on capitalism and the free market, that is actually what capitalism and the free market is - choices.
There is nothing wrong with having multiple models for potential student-athletes and players to choose from.
Capitalism does not mean all avenues have to be the same.
Say you are a high school basketball player with pro potential, currently you can choose:
1. College basketball, where you can't be paid, but you have a free education, room, board, high level training and coaching and potential NIL money.
2. G-League: The G-League allows high school players. You can be paid a decent amount and get pro coaching.
3. Overseas leagues: There are dozens of leagues around the world where you can play and be paid from not much to millions, depending on your talent level.
4. Sit out and wait for the draft: This is the option that I can't believe the highest level players don't choose. You only have to sit out one year in basketball, which is nothing. Sign with an agent, who can front you money, and spend the year training with pro trainers and getting ready for the draft.
There are other options as well. The problem I have with the whole thing is that people want the NCAA to change and become more professional. Why?
Why not keep a model that a lot of people obviously like? Making every option change to be more like the other options is not capitalism or free market. More choices is better.
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Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:51 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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College sports needs to return to a student-athlete model.
The NCAA can't simply ignore the courts. That's not an option.
I don't know the solution but I think it's going to get worse before it gets better, if it ever gets better.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:01 am to TigerFan244
What ever happened to the $100 handshakes in the locker room after the game??
Posted on 2/2/23 at 11:46 am to TigerFan244
And Bama announces/advertises theirs today
No use crying about it. No other option if you want to be competitive
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No use crying about it. No other option if you want to be competitive
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This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:30 pm to JustSmokin
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The NCAA can't simply ignore the courts. That's not an option.
I’m not asking them to ignore the courts. But there are plenty of things the NCAA can do to return to the student-athlete model that has nothing to do with any court rulings, or even laws in general.
Strict academic rules, high graduation rate requirements for schools, penalties for high attrition rates, limits on transfers that schools can take, etc
You can’t tell a player he can’t transfer. But you can limit the amount of transfers a school can take, which decreases the amount of transfers that can take place.
There are tons of steps they can take, but they are weak.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 12:59 pm to TigerFan244
So you don’t care if LSU plays for or competes for national titles? Because this is what it will take.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 1:42 pm to Luckydog
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It is the Supreme Court that created this mess, not the ncaa. They fought this for years but woke espn kept pushing and supreme court approved
Meh. The NCAA could have been proactive years ago. If they had and given enough to make the majority of athletes happy, we wouldn’t be here today. They also could have settled the O’Bannon lawsuit before it ended with a result that went against them. They could have maintained some level of sanity in the system, but they were arrogant and short-sighted and lost.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 2:02 pm to tigerskin
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And Bama announces/advertises theirs today
No use crying about it. No other option if you want to be competitive
LINK
Makes me sick. Nothing but a bunch of coaches and athletes asking fans to fund athlete welfare. Total BS. How is it the responsibility of the school to "help" their student athletes make $$ with their NIL?!? Go earn it on the field/court and if people are then willing to pay you whatever amount of $$ because they believe there is some value in that - great. That's how it's supposed to work.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 3:26 pm to tigerskin
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No use crying about it. No other option if you want to be competitive
Theirs seem to offer a lot more value as well. Regardless, I stand by my last post that I won’t give a nickel to that nonsense. I refuse to pay for someone else’s employees. We go 0-12, we go 0-12.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 4:04 pm to TJG210
I like the way Texas Longhorns model for NIL. Pay all players including Waltons, 50 to 100k per year. Then extra pay for top recruits, starters, and star players as merited.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 4:45 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:These proposals do NOTHING to solve any problems.
there are plenty of things the NCAA can do to return to the student-athlete model that has nothing to do with any court rulings, or even laws in general.
Strict academic rules, high graduation rate requirements for schools, penalties for high attrition rates
How in the world do you think they would?
The problem has nothing to do with the "student-athlete model"; instead, as I posted earlier in this thread, there are certain incontrovertible facts on the demand side of the equation that drive the issues.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:01 pm to Salviati
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These proposals do NOTHING to solve any problems.
Your incontrovertible facts are irrelevant if they aren’t allowed.
And for all the talk about how impotent the NCAA is, it is controlled by university presidents. They have all the power, they have just chosen not to wield it.
If you list a specific problem you think needs solving, I will reply with an action the NCAA can take to solve it, or at least decrease it.
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:04 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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So you don’t care if LSU plays for or competes for national titles? Because this is what it will take.
These shouldn’t be allowed for any school. What potential marketing benefit do random donors get for paying NIL money to college athletes?
It’s a blatant violation of the supposed rules.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:43 pm to TigerFan244
Getting paid to an advertisement good, getting paid to play a sport bad.
Got it. Thanks for clearing it up.
Got it. Thanks for clearing it up.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 7:53 pm to PigDog33
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Getting paid to an advertisement good, getting paid to play a sport bad.
There’s nothing inherently bad about either.
But every organization has rules.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:20 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Your head is in the ground. Let's do some analysis.
Your incontrovertible facts are irrelevant if they aren’t allowed.
And for all the talk about how impotent the NCAA is, it is controlled by university presidents. They have all the power, they have just chosen not to wield it.
If you list a specific problem you think needs solving, I will reply with an action the NCAA can take to solve it, or at least decrease it.
quote:Some incontrovertible facts:
Your incontrovertible facts are irrelevant if they aren’t allowed.
The market wants college football. The demand is in the amount of billions of dollars.
Many schools and most fans want successful college football teams. The demand is in the amount of tens of millions of dollars per school.
Successful college football teams require high-quality athletes.
The demand for high-quality athletes is very high.
High-quality athletes are in scarce supply.
Schools and fans are willing to pay for high-quality athletes. The demand is in the amount of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars per high-quality athlete.
How are these facts going to become irrelevant? How is the NCAA or university presidents going to make it so "they aren't allowed"?
quote:How can NCAA university presidents stop market forces. More importantly, why would they want to stop market forces: (1) that are in their best interests, (2) that benefit them and their universities, and (3) that they have shown ZERO interest in impeding these forces in the past?
And for all the talk about how impotent the NCAA is, it is controlled by university presidents. They have all the power, they have just chosen not to wield it.
quote:Problem 1: Lack of parity among football programs to attract players through monetary inducements. Some programs are willing to pay more.
If you list a specific problem you think needs solving, I will reply with an action the NCAA can take to solve it, or at least decrease it.
Problem 2: Impermissible payments to athletes. NIL currently makes payments to athletes permissible. If you want to eliminate/reform/limit NIL, how do you stop impermissible payments to athletes.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:35 pm to Salviati
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How can NCAA university presidents stop market forces.
Many, if not most, college sports fans do not like where it’s heading.
Your assertion that some market force is driving this is false. The NIL and transfer rules are the result of law suits. The NCAA and universities were against this.
In fact, most of your post is wrong and reflects your personal opinions.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:38 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Perhaps your head is in another hole that is not the ground.
Many, if not most, college sports fans do not like where it’s heading.
Your assertion that some market force is driving this is false. The NIL and transfer rules are the result of law suits. The NCAA and universities were against this.
In fact, most of your post is wrong and reflects your personal opinions.
Which one of these things is wrong and reflects my personal opinions?
The market wants college football. The demand is in the amount of billions of dollars.
Many schools and most fans want successful college football teams. The demand is in the amount of tens of millions of dollars per school.
Successful college football teams require high-quality athletes.
The demand for high-quality athletes is very high.
High-quality athletes are in scarce supply.
Schools and fans are willing to pay for high-quality athletes. The demand is in the amount of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars per high-quality athlete.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:39 pm to Salviati
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Problem 1: Lack of parity among football programs
I disagree that this is a problem. There has never been parity in college football.
quote:
Problem 2: Impermissible payments to athletes. NIL currently makes payments to athletes permissible. If you want to eliminate/reform/limit NIL, how do you stop impermissible payments to athletes.
Are you referring to illegal NIL payments, such as inducements? Or all NIL payments?
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:44 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:That's not what I said. What I said was:quote:I disagree that this is a problem. There has never been parity in college football.
Problem 1: Lack of parity among football programs
quote:
Problem 1: Lack of parity among football programs to attract players through monetary inducements. Some programs are willing to pay more.
quote:If you don't think there is a problem with pay for play through NIL. That's fine. I agree, no problem.quote:Are you referring to illegal NIL payments, such as inducements? Or all NIL payments?
Problem 2: Impermissible payments to athletes. NIL currently makes payments to athletes permissible. If you want to eliminate/reform/limit NIL, how do you stop impermissible payments to athletes.
However, if you want to eliminate/reform/limit NIL, how do you stop impermissible payments to athletes that are now permissible through NIL?
This post was edited on 2/2/23 at 9:45 pm
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