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re: ATF brace rule has been published
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:50 pm to Geauxkart
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:50 pm to Geauxkart
quote:
Does anyone realize that an atf registered firearm will be very, very hard to sell?
That's one of the appeals to buying guns, very good liquid asset that holds value.
Not so liquid when you have to wait for ATF approval...
I don’t buy firearms to sell them.
I buy guns to shoot them.
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 7:34 am to Geauxkart
quote:
Does anyone realize that an atf registered firearm will be very, very hard to sell?
You take off the stock and send a letter to the atf to remove it from the registry then you can sell it as a pistol. As far as I know.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 8:29 am to finchmeister08
quote:
One of the guns the Nashville shooter had was a braced AR. Doesn’t look good for us.
Us? As mentally unstable idiots?
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:28 pm to civiltiger07
ATF on Monday: "It's pronounced po-ta-tow."
ATF on Tuesday: "It's pronounced po-tah-tow."
ATF on Wednesday: "Potatoes are considered machine guns."
ATF on Thursday: "Just kidding - Potatoes are only machine guns if you serve them Au Gratin."
ATF on Friday: "Actually, the mere possession of frozen hash browns is considered possession of a machine gun."
ATF, “if you send us a picture of your potato, address to your potato farm and your recipe for potato soup, you can get your potato peeler stamp for free.
ATF on Tuesday: "It's pronounced po-tah-tow."
ATF on Wednesday: "Potatoes are considered machine guns."
ATF on Thursday: "Just kidding - Potatoes are only machine guns if you serve them Au Gratin."
ATF on Friday: "Actually, the mere possession of frozen hash browns is considered possession of a machine gun."
ATF, “if you send us a picture of your potato, address to your potato farm and your recipe for potato soup, you can get your potato peeler stamp for free.
Posted on 4/27/23 at 4:39 pm to Clyde Tipton
Ha good luck, already a few come and take it crowd getting bigger. You can’t just make up a new law and not grandfather old law compliance peopleS in
Posted on 5/22/23 at 10:55 pm to Lsutigerturner
Update:
4/26/2023
ATF Director Dettelbach tells US House Rep. Massie (KY) that all citizens have to do to be in compliance with the rule is simply remove the brace from the gun.
Dettelbach: "If they keep them apart, they can keep the brace, they can keep the business end of the gun. They don't have to register anything."
Rep. Massie: "That's a great clarification. So you're not going to do some constructive prosecution where you say, 'oh, you had this and you had that and you intended to connect them.'
They can just keep them separate?"
Dettelbach: "Detach them and keep them separately."
5/22/2023
now you got this:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/what-are-compliance-options-individual-non-licensee-possession-firearm-equipped-
4/26/2023
ATF Director Dettelbach tells US House Rep. Massie (KY) that all citizens have to do to be in compliance with the rule is simply remove the brace from the gun.
Dettelbach: "If they keep them apart, they can keep the brace, they can keep the business end of the gun. They don't have to register anything."
Rep. Massie: "That's a great clarification. So you're not going to do some constructive prosecution where you say, 'oh, you had this and you had that and you intended to connect them.'
They can just keep them separate?"
Dettelbach: "Detach them and keep them separately."
5/22/2023
now you got this:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/what-are-compliance-options-individual-non-licensee-possession-firearm-equipped-
Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:06 pm to finchmeister08
The other thing I worry about is people seeking the exception and free tax stamp only to find out later that the original 4473 for the firearm originally had the “rifle” box checked. Has this been discussed? How can anyone confirm that original classification?
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:08 am to turkish
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How can anyone confirm that original classification?
4473 is kept for 20 years at the store you did the transfer and then goes to ATF. They can trace it if they want. When you did the tax exempt form 1, lying about the status of the braced gun is perjury. You would have to have fricked up on many levels for them to go after you like that...or so i thought until recently with how the feds have been with anyone not aligned with their agenda.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:11 am to finchmeister08
I just saw that on Mrgunsngear. Big surprise the ATF director lied or is completely disconnected from his agency.
Those that have braced pistols and were worried about filing for the free tax stamp have every reason to be suspicious of the ATF.
In a few days 3 to 10 million gun owners will be categorized as criminals and if anybody thinks the extra $1.8 billion budget to the ATF won't be used against them is a fool.
All this because of the 73rd Congress tried to put handguns on the NFA and the "sportsmen" in the committee couldn't think of a reason why "sportsmen" need a barrel shorter than 18 inches.
Those that have braced pistols and were worried about filing for the free tax stamp have every reason to be suspicious of the ATF.
In a few days 3 to 10 million gun owners will be categorized as criminals and if anybody thinks the extra $1.8 billion budget to the ATF won't be used against them is a fool.
All this because of the 73rd Congress tried to put handguns on the NFA and the "sportsmen" in the committee couldn't think of a reason why "sportsmen" need a barrel shorter than 18 inches.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:28 am to Kino74
The ATF can frick off! 
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:17 am to Kino74
Just wait until the ATF gets proof from credit card companies and knows who bought a brace (because that's exactly what's happening right now with forced reset triggers).
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:08 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
5th Circuit just granted an injunction... for the plaintiffs only.
Plaintiffs:
William Mock
Christopher Lewis
Firearms Policy Coalition
Maxim Defense Industries
LINK
According to Guns and Gadgets, this is the first domino. He hinted at another injunction will be coming out today.
8 DAYS LEFT, PEOPLE!!!
Plaintiffs:
William Mock
Christopher Lewis
Firearms Policy Coalition
Maxim Defense Industries
LINK
According to Guns and Gadgets, this is the first domino. He hinted at another injunction will be coming out today.
8 DAYS LEFT, PEOPLE!!!
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:31 pm to turkish
quote:
The other thing I worry about is people seeking the exception and free tax stamp only to find out later that the original 4473 for the firearm originally had the “rifle” box checked.
If its a "rifle" its always a rifle as far as i know. The free tax stamps were for "pistols" or "others" I think. Things sold with a brace or something that was built to have a brace.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:39 pm to NOLAGT
Yeah. That’s my point. How many people with AR pistols know for a fact that the dealer didn’t check “rifle” on the 4473 or used a lower from a previously built rifle? Back when I used to own guns, I don’t remember looking at the 4473 for anything other than the portions I filled out.
I guess I’m highlighting sensitivities with taking advantage of the free offer, unless there’s been good scrutiny of the 4473s that were used in the past, potentially a looong time ago. I don’t mean to sound argumentative. I think we’re agreeing with one another.
I guess I’m highlighting sensitivities with taking advantage of the free offer, unless there’s been good scrutiny of the 4473s that were used in the past, potentially a looong time ago. I don’t mean to sound argumentative. I think we’re agreeing with one another.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:44 pm to finchmeister08
quote:
5th Circuit just granted an injunction... for the plaintiffs only.
I get why they did this as it stems from an appeal of the district court's ruling denying the injunction, but it will lead to confusion.
That said, I suspect other courts in the 5th that have a brace case may grant one pending the outcome of that appeal.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:39 pm to udtiger
Posted on 5/26/23 at 3:16 pm to finchmeister08
That's pretty incredible for FPC. All members of FPC subject to the injunction.
This is probably the best membership drive that organization will ever have
This is probably the best membership drive that organization will ever have
Posted on 5/26/23 at 3:37 pm to Pettifogger
Been a member with them for a few years now. 
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:45 pm to finchmeister08
I'm interested if the recent ruling against the EPA will make an impact in future briefs. If this gets to the USSC it could be disastrous for the ATF, they might dump the rule in the trash in an attempt to moot the case at that point.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:00 pm to Clames
quote:
If this gets to the USSC it could be disastrous for the ATF, they might dump the rule in the trash in an attempt to moot the case at that point.
The ATF has actually asked to take up one of these cases. I think it’s the frames and receivers rule they came out with last year.
I’ve actually considered that they’re intentionally doing this to themselves. I bet they’re tired of having to deal with form 1s and form 4s and any other form required to make decisions on. Ever since the AWB from the ‘90s was lifted, the AR15 platform has surged in popularity and technological advances in newer style configurations. Imagine getting asked “is this legal” multiple times a year.
It just sucks that none of these cases are making the argument of whether or not the NFA is specifically constitutional.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 5:02 pm
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