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Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:34 pm to JAMAC2001
I haven’t touched the subject. Don’t want to think about it.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:37 pm to ell_13
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Her being dead likely made this a case to begin with
without her death we wouldn't know her BAC was so high. I don't think that can be determined from the video or her stumbling which I haven't seen.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:38 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:That's in interesting question for sure. I thinkin this day and age more than just gay men are familiar with this subject, but that's a different thread
Does it affect who you want on a jury? Do you, for example, want gay men, who will understand the practicalities of that kind of sex?
ETA nice to see my downvoter is still alive and well.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:38 pm to JAMAC2001
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This fact alone just totally blows my mind. I think to myself how fked up id need to be to do this and the answer is unconscious.
I did this one time when I was about her age. Was hammered beyond belief and was cutoff. Maybe she got cutoff and that's why she was doing it. I don't remember most of the night, but decades later I still remember doing it, almost getting my arse whipped over it, and waking up on cold tile floor in my buddy's barracks.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:40 pm to LNCHBOX
It may affect the age of jurors you want. Older straight people are likely to think no one would consent to that.
From what I gather from the baws here, that has changed.
You’d have to think about it from a jury selection standpoint.
ETA: I mean no disrespect to anyone, certainly not this poor girl.
I’m just saying the physical facts of the case will drive who you want on the jury.
From what I gather from the baws here, that has changed.
You’d have to think about it from a jury selection standpoint.
ETA: I mean no disrespect to anyone, certainly not this poor girl.
I’m just saying the physical facts of the case will drive who you want on the jury.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:42 pm to JudgeHolden
I'd imagine the prosecutors want the youngest, whitest, most female jury they can get, but the defense isn't going to let them have it.
Next best thing is probably middle-aged white parents, but that's far from a slam dunk. You just never know which crusty old guy is a protective dad and which one is bitter about those young people these days, with their Reggie's and their Doc Martens or whatever.
Next best thing is probably middle-aged white parents, but that's far from a slam dunk. You just never know which crusty old guy is a protective dad and which one is bitter about those young people these days, with their Reggie's and their Doc Martens or whatever.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:42 pm to JudgeHolden
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I think of a guy is that drunk, he is not going to have the physical capacity for sex
Well that’s wrong.
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He could still be assaulted though, I guess. And not many people would believe him
The fact that you say “I guess” proves the double standard.
Don’t want to derail the thread with this. Just wanted to point out the double standard.
Now back to reading the I told you so posts and people making up scenarios.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:43 pm to LNCHBOX
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ETA nice to see my downvoter is still alive and well.
I hit you with an upvote to balance things.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:43 pm to T
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The fact that you say “I guess” proves the double standard. Don’t want to derail the thread with this. Just wanted to point out the double standard.
No argument here.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:44 pm to JudgeHolden
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It may affect the age of jurors you want. Older straight people are likely to think no one would consent to that.
From what I gather from the baws here, that has changed.
You’d have to think about it from a jury selection standpoint.
For sure. I wouldn't consider myself older, but I have trouble picturing a scenario where a 19 year old consents to anal with two strangers in the back of a car for several of the reasons you touched on.
I have SILs in college and in sororities (not Madison's), and through the grapevine I hear a good bit about what the kids are into these days. That ain't it.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:44 pm to Ingeniero
yes. This will fill in some gaps on peeps saying she was not highly intoxicated, IMO.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:44 pm to JudgeHolden
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I hit you with an upvote to balance things.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:45 pm to t00f
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I would suggest she might have needed to be held down in order to accomplish this if she was in any state of conscience.
I agree. Someone has to be in an extremely relaxed and aroused state with artificial lubrication to pull that off. This girl wasn’t a fricking pornstar. That stood out to me immediately.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:46 pm to Ingeniero
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I believe a report came out saying the findings were consistent with sexual assault, right?
The affidavit alludes to it in an odd way. I think that’s what it will show. If so, it’s damning.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:47 pm to JudgeHolden
Miss Brooks lawyer said it would be relevant information if Washington is convicted in LP before the trials in EBRP. Did he mean it could be submitted evidence in EBRP court with no restrictions?
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:49 pm to Topwater Trout
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False rape allegations for a myriad of reasons whether it be he didn't call me back, he broke up with me, he used me etc without serious consequences for women have probably done more damage.
I agree with that. False allegations, if proven to be premeditated, should carry the same sentence of the crime they are accusing you of. That would end it real quick.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:50 pm to inspectweld
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Miss Brooks lawyer said it would be relevant information if Washington is convicted in LP before the trials in EBRP. Did he mean it will be submisible evidence in EBRP court with no restrictions?
Probably not unless Washington takes the stand. 404(b) & 609.1.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:54 pm to JudgeHolden
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Haley says that the driver will say that she said . . . (do you already see the problem with this?) she wanted sex and mocked him.
Why didn’t Casen mention this in the original statement with police. Seems convenient to say that now when Madi can’t dispute it.
Posted on 1/30/23 at 2:55 pm to JudgeHolden
Inadmissible to prove propensity to commit the same crime, but admissible to prove motive, opportunity, preparation, and absence of mistake.
Prosecution can find ways a to get it in especially since they are claiming they thought she consented. Could try to use to prove this was not a mistake
Prosecution can find ways a to get it in especially since they are claiming they thought she consented. Could try to use to prove this was not a mistake
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