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If Nuss wasn’t a turnover machine would he be the starting QB?
Posted on 12/21/22 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 12/21/22 at 11:05 pm
Are turnovers the only thing keeping him from starting?
This post was edited on 12/21/22 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 12/21/22 at 11:07 pm to GumboPot
It's sort of a big deal
Posted on 12/21/22 at 11:08 pm to GumboPot
quote:It's his style of play that's preventing him from being the starter. He has shown (for the most part) to be incapable of consistently controlling an offense and leading them to scoring drives.
Are turnover the only thing keeping him from starting?
He very rarely takes a checkdown or throws the ball away. He relies far too much on 50/50 balls, and not Joe Burrow 50/50 balls where the quarterback and receiver have great chemistry and an understanding of where one another will be when the play breaks down. Nuss just launches.
The turnovers are a byproduct of that style of play.
ETA: this post wasn't meant to bash Nuss. This kind of quarterback can win you any game you put him in. He can also lose you games you shouldn't lose (see Arkansas last year).
Maybe an entire offseason as a starter changes that, but who knows if he'll ever get that shot.
This post was edited on 12/21/22 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 12/21/22 at 11:12 pm to GumboPot
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This post was edited on 12/21/22 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 12/21/22 at 11:37 pm to PP7 for heisman
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It's his style of play that's preventing him from being the starter. He has shown (for the most part) to be incapable of consistently controlling an offense and leading them to scoring drives.
He very rarely takes a checkdown or throws the ball away. He relies far too much on 50/50 balls, and not Joe Burrow 50/50 balls where the quarterback and receiver have great chemistry and an understanding of where one another will be when the play breaks down. Nuss just launches.
The turnovers are a byproduct of that style of play.
ETA: this post wasn't meant to bash Nuss. This kind of quarterback can win you any game you put him in. He can also lose you games you shouldn't lose (see Arkansas last year).
All of this.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:02 am to PP7 for heisman
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Maybe an entire offseason as a starter changes that, but who knows if he'll ever get that shot.
Yep. This is the crazy part. Jd has had what, going on 5 years and he’s still avg at best. Time to move on
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:52 am to GumboPot
Yeah those touchdowns thrown to the other team is kinda hard to game plan for
Posted on 12/22/22 at 12:59 am to SMD
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he’s still avg at best
Gets the team to the SECCG in his first season here. He's average.
Are some of y'all expecting the next coming of Joe Burrow? The guy took some major hits, did what he could do to win games and along with his teammates, who played as a team, (I know that's a crazy concept for some of you to grasp) won games after we were picked to be fifth in the west. But instead, you rip him because he's not doing what you want.
Sound like a bunch of wet blankets.
No way he and Nuss could improve right? Can't pull for both QBs who are on the same team, right? I have no idea why some of you have to try to tear down a player who was voted by his teammates as the team MVP for the season. I just don't get it.
I'm not saying the kid doesn't have shortcomings and I'm not saying there isn't room to improve but the hate this kid gets on this board is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 1:17 am
Posted on 12/22/22 at 1:03 am to GumboPot
Hard to say. We don’t see them in practice, I would be inclined to say no, but I really can only go off of the limited games I’ve seen him.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 3:53 am to GumboPot
Kelly made his choice and he is sticking to it.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 5:03 am to PP7 for heisman
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He relies far too much on 50/50 balls, and not Joe Burrow 50/50 balls where the quarterback and receiver have great chemistry
Burrow never threw 50/50 balls. He would throw balls to the far side of his receiver, and the receiver had two advantages: one was the position of the ball; and the second was that the DB was not looking back and did not know the ball was thrown. Those are NOT 50/50 balls.
Neither are the bad throws Nuss makes, on which the DB has a much better chance than the WR.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 6:22 am to PP7 for heisman
I do not agree with this analysis. QBs that are great passers are aggressive downfield and intuitive….they anticipate. With experience, accuracy and picking the right target only improves.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 6:54 am to GumboPot
Omg. What’s with this obsession with a backup? It’s forcing me to think some of this speculation about “other factors “ has to be taken seriously.
Short answer: if your aunt had nuts, she’d be your uncle.
Short answer: if your aunt had nuts, she’d be your uncle.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 6:58 am to GumboPot
It’s simple. If he was the better QB then he would have been the starter
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:07 am to la_birdman
I have no idea why some of you have to try to tear down a player who was voted by his teammates as the team MVP for the season. I just don't get it.
I’m starting to get an idea and it ain’t pretty.
I’m starting to get an idea and it ain’t pretty.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:09 am to GumboPot
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Are turnovers the only thing keeping him from starting?
This really understates it. Much if his success comes from that playing style as well. You can’t simply r”remove turnovers” and expect the same production.
Nuss has a lot of development meeded…not just removing a couple of bad decisions a game.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:14 am to GumboPot
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Are turnovers the only thing keeping him from starting?
I think it is troubling enough that it gives you pause. his turnover numbers are higher than the scores accounted for. That's a losing recipe.
A couple of arguments can be made. One is those numbers are based on a small enough sample size, but that can be countered with the argument many of his reps were against inferior opponents and so were many of his turnovers. A second argument being he took a lot of reps with backup players but I am not sure that he did or if that was as much of a downgrade as people may imply because many (maybe most) of those were rotational players who could easily have technically been starters and many times there were still starters in.
Who will start next year will be determined by who makes the greatest strides in the offseason. That is not always easy to determine simply in practice. It could very well be Nuss. Only time will tell.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:33 am to la_birdman
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the hate this kid gets on this board is ridiculous.
Don't hate the kid.
JD makes JD look good. He doesn't make everyone around him better. Look at our stats for WRs. Pitiful.
The guy had 3 games against good teams where it seemed he had turned a corner. The rest of the games he was indecisive, did not trust his teammates, and would not throw a pass more than ten yards downfield.
After 4 years as a starter, he is what he is, and the last two games gave every opponent the blueprint for stopping him.
What we saw at the end of the season was a guy who couldn't adjust to what defenses were doing, because, unlike the PAC-12, he's not the best athlete on the field and can't just outrun his troubles.
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