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Bibles After 1960 Withheld Best Weapon Against Satan

Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:01 am
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:01 am
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Jesus clearly states that "prayer and fasting" are the two most powerful weapons in our fight against Satan. However, today's most popular Bibles have REMOVED the power of fasting — destroying the spiritual lives of countless Christians worldwide.


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The truth is being censored, and now Jesus' own words are being removed.


LINK

Censored version:




Uncensored versions:





I'm still curious about the reasoning to take out "fasting" in the latest editions of the bible.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:04 am to
They are based on different translations, they aren't editions of one another.

Apparently NIV did not translate the documents the same way.

Please don't start the KJV only conspiracy bullshite. It is a rabbit hole that will just make you feel dumber in the end.
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:06 am to
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Please don't start the KJV only conspiracy bullshite.


That is not my intent at all. I also quoted Douay-Rheims with the KJV that are both "uncensored" on this issue.
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:06 am to
Well if they start making me eat grasshopers, i’ll give fasting a go
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:06 am to
I do not have enough interest to do the research, but if you’re really interested, go back and look at some additional early Bibles predating the King James. You would probably need to read Greek.

The King James translators were notoriously bad at their job. My first guess is that they added fasting or mistranslated something from Koine Greek.

Most modern Bible translations ignore the King James translation because it IS so VERY bad a translation, and go all the way back to translate directly from Koine.

The issue is further complicated by the fact that different Koine manuscripts may either include or exclude the word “fasting.” It is entirely possible that they are working from different early manuscripts.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:07 am to
That is rather interesting.

But that link seems very click-baity.

I personally use ESV and am curious why "fasting" is not also included in that translation.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:08 am to
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I also quoted Douay-Rheims with the KJV that are both "uncensored" on this issue.
you will want to go back and check whether the translators of that edition worked in part from the King James. Most post-KJV did so, until recently.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 9:09 am
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:09 am to
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uncensored
The NIV didn't censor anything.

It is a different translation.

Their methods of translating are available online. . .but I get the feeling you are in the middle of an episode, and won't bother looking it up.

Spoiler alert: NIV bible brings people to the same salvation from the same Jesus as the KJV and NAS.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:12 am to
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I personally use ESV and am curious why "fasting" is not also included in that translation.


If I'm doing a study I hit the ESV, NIV and KJV (and maybe others, but 2 minimum) for passages like this. There's almost always a footnote where there's a difference, something like "this word wasn't in the most reliable manuscripts" or something similar. Nobody's trying to hide anything.

The KJV is my least favorite and typically the one that requires on-the-fly translation in your head, because we don't talk that way and we think the way we talk.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:14 am to
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Their methods of translating are available online. . .but I get the feeling you are in the middle of an episode, and won't bother looking it up.



It's just curiosity. It's not that big of a deal.

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Spoiler alert: NIV bible brings people to the same salvation from the same Jesus as the KJV and NAS.
Posted by the_truman_shitshow
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:16 am to
I'll say this much, if Wikipedia ever comes out with their own version of Holy Scripture, avoid like the plague.

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:24 am to
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I do not have enough interest to do the research, but if you’re really interested, go back and look at some additional early Bibles predating the King James. You would probably need to read Greek.

The King James translators were notoriously bad at their job. My first guess is that they added fasting or mistranslated something from Koine Greek.

Most modern Bible translations ignore the King James translation because it IS so VERY bad a translation, and go all the way back to translate directly from Koine.


Dunno why people are downvoting this

He is 100% correct

KJV is only of note for being the 1st english translation. Which was a HUGE deal, and a clear defenestration of the Catholic church in England.

But it was a generally bad translation, compared to more recent translations.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 9:25 am
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:25 am to
I did a 28 day fast right before my 40th birthday in March. It was one of the most challenging tasks I’ve ever taken on.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:28 am to
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Dunno why people are downvoting this
(1) Most of the down voters did not even read it.

(2) Of those who did read it, many are simply incapable of accepting that someone they do not like might know something more about the subject than they do. I typed it, so it is wrong in their minds.

It is what it is.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 9:54 am
Posted by Big Chipper
Charlotte, NC
Member since Sep 2008
2929 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:31 am to
Take this to the religion board.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:31 am to
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I did a 28 day fast right before my 40th birthday in March. It was one of the most challenging tasks I’ve ever taken on


I'm going for a solid 4 hours today, pray for me..
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:36 am to
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Please don't start the KJV only conspiracy bullshite.


that bible was messed up badly. would never use.

rewind to saint jerome's latin vulgate which came from greek for the NT and hebrew/greek for the OT.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:36 am to
When it comes to issues like this I like to turn to the Catechism of the Catholic Church to understand their interpretation. Take it or leave it, the Catholic Church put's a lot of thought to issues like this. In the Catechism I could not find any specific reference to Mark 9:29 but did find this general conclusion involving prayer and fasting:

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Scripture and the Fathers insist above all on three forms, fasting, prayer, and almsgiving, which express conversion in relation to oneself, to God, and to others.


Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:38 am to
Thought religious threads were a no go here?

This has nothing to do with politics
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 11/30/22 at 9:41 am to
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Please don't start the KJV only conspiracy bullshite. It is a rabbit hole that will just make you feel dumber in the end.
Holy shite.

I honestly thought that most people who still rely exclusively upon the KJV were simply doing so out of habit. Your post made me do some research.

I had no idea that there was actually a movement insisting that this crap translation is inherently superior to all others. Just wow.
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