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re: Major League Baseball Needs a Salary Cap.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:16 pm to Buckeye Backer
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:16 pm to Buckeye Backer
How else would the Dodgers make it and lose in the Divisional Round?
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:27 pm to WestCoastAg
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when was the last big name free agent to leave a "small market" team to go sign with a large market team? Lindor is the only player I can think of in recent memory. Maybe Garrit Cole as well. So there are like 2 players in recent memory this applies to
I think those guys were both traded, but that's kind of the point. Small market teams knew they had no chance to keep them so they had no choice but to trade them.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:33 pm to VADawg
But those are also the only 2 from actual small markets that ended up being moved that I can think of off the top of my head in recent memory
Maybe Bauer as well but that was a weird situation all around
Maybe Bauer as well but that was a weird situation all around
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:36 pm to Buckeye Backer
I am a fan of enforcing a minimum, but I'm a fan of a soft cap - just make it a harder penalty to teams that go past it with loss of draft picks and more money. Want to jeopardize the future for today? Go right ahead, but it will hurt for a long time.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:36 pm to WestCoastAg
They certainly aren’t as big as the two you named but the Oakland exodus this last year counts also in my opinion. Of course that doesn’t fit OP’s weirdo qualifier with size of metro area but that was clearly spending related
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:13 pm to Horsemeat
I also think there is a difference between teams that shed payroll in a concerted effort to rebuild via the draft and trades and rebuild in order to compete and those teams that keep payroll low simply because they are cheap and have no interest in competing.
The Cubs the last few years for that profile. Large market team that shed payroll while they were rebuilding because why waste money when you are clearly rebuilding? Difference is the Cubs were still middle of the pack spending and now have a bunch of prospects, are showing signs of the turnaround, and will spend money in the future to win as they've demonstrated. Pittsburgh has no interest in trying to compete.
That's my argument against a salary floor. Sometimes it's part of the plan but the teams really are building to compete.
The Cubs the last few years for that profile. Large market team that shed payroll while they were rebuilding because why waste money when you are clearly rebuilding? Difference is the Cubs were still middle of the pack spending and now have a bunch of prospects, are showing signs of the turnaround, and will spend money in the future to win as they've demonstrated. Pittsburgh has no interest in trying to compete.
That's my argument against a salary floor. Sometimes it's part of the plan but the teams really are building to compete.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:21 pm to SoDakHawk
If you had a floor I think you’d see an increase in those rebuilding teams taking on bad contracts like we see in the NBA. But yes I chuckle at the thought that a salary cap is needed when there’s a bunch of teams running a payroll that’s a fraction of what that cap would be
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:37 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
I thought MLB went after teams such as the Pirates and Padres years ago because their payroll was below what they received from revenue sharing
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:03 pm to Errant_Knight
I can think of many players that were traded or let go because they couldn't afford them, just off of Cleveland alone...
CC Sabathia
Cliff Lee
Jim Thome
Manny Ramirez
Francisco Lindor
Trevor Bauer
Upcoming...
Shane Bieber:
Salary:
2017: $420,000
2018: $545,000
2019: $559,600
2020: $623,200
2021: $679,700
1 year extension:
2022: $6,000,000
Again, like i have been saying, some team like the Dodgers or Yankees will come in and pay Bieber $35 mill like the Yankees did with Cole. How is Cleveland supposed to compete with that? You guys can say all you want about owners making hundreds of millions of dollars...but that's jut being dishonest with the reality of the situations.
New York Metro = 18,000,000
Cleveland Metro = 2,000,000
Cleveland just doesn't have the finances to compete with organizations like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox etc etc....
CC Sabathia
Cliff Lee
Jim Thome
Manny Ramirez
Francisco Lindor
Trevor Bauer
Upcoming...
Shane Bieber:
Salary:
2017: $420,000
2018: $545,000
2019: $559,600
2020: $623,200
2021: $679,700
1 year extension:
2022: $6,000,000
Again, like i have been saying, some team like the Dodgers or Yankees will come in and pay Bieber $35 mill like the Yankees did with Cole. How is Cleveland supposed to compete with that? You guys can say all you want about owners making hundreds of millions of dollars...but that's jut being dishonest with the reality of the situations.
New York Metro = 18,000,000
Cleveland Metro = 2,000,000
Cleveland just doesn't have the finances to compete with organizations like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox etc etc....
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:07 pm to Buckeye Backer
They have a dr facto cap right now w/the luxury tax. True, that still hasn't stopped some teams, but it's there.
Also, baseball hasn't had a repeat champ since 1998-2000(Yankees).
Also, baseball hasn't had a repeat champ since 1998-2000(Yankees).
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:09 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
quote:
They have a dr facto cap right now w/the luxury tax. True, that still hasn't stopped some teams, but it's there.
Then its NOT a cap.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:13 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:
, some team like the Dodgers or Yankees will come in and pay Bieber $35 mill like the Yankees did with Cole. How is Cleveland supposed to compete with that?
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:53 pm to Buckeye Backer
Cleveland cannot even sell put their stadium when they produce a division winner
Posted on 10/24/22 at 5:44 pm to Buckeye Backer
quote:
Cleveland just doesn't have the finances to compete with organizations like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox etc etc....
Sounds like an owner problem
Maybe they should get Elon Musk to buy them
Posted on 10/24/22 at 7:15 pm to I Bleed Garnet
quote:
Cleveland just doesn't have the finances to compete with organizations like the Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox etc etc....
I just don’t think that’s true.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:10 pm to Cosmo
quote:
Metro area is a bad way to rank teams
Not really.Usually means the team has higher revenue from local/regional TV and radio deals.
quote:
Miami is a big metro but nobody goes to Marlins games
Plus the Cardinals are a perennial contender in bottom third.
Two obvious exceptions and the Cardinals are able to stay competitive because they kill it in attendance in a baseball crazed town.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 6:48 am to Buckeye Backer
Owners can spend the money if they want to, they choose not to
Posted on 10/25/22 at 6:55 am to sorantable
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I just don’t think that’s true.
So you are going to actually sit there with a straight face and tell me that New York City and Cleveland are equal in terms of population and finances? My goodness...
Posted on 10/25/22 at 7:09 am to Buckeye Backer
FORBES: The Business of Baseball
Follow the money...
1. New York Yankees = $482 Mill Revenue, $6b Value
2. Los Angeles Dodgers = $565 Mill, $4b
3. Boston Red Sox = $479 Mill, $3.9b
4. Chicago Cubs = $425 Mill, $3.8b
5. San Francisco Giants = $384 Mill, $3.5b
6. New York Mets = $302 Mill, $2.6b
7. St Louis Cardinals = $287 Mill, $ 2.4b
8. Philadelphia Phillies = $323 Mill, $2.3b
9. Los Angeles Angels = $331 Mill, $2.2b
10. Atlanta Braves = $443 Mill, $2.1b
Yup...Cleveland and New York are totally equal. Got it! Again, MLB desperately needs a hard salary cap. Nobody has presented anything to change my mind. Give me something to think about...ill wait.
Btw...every single one of those top 10 teams has won a World Series in the last 30 years...the Mets being the exception. No coincidence at all that major markets have an advantage without a salary cap though right?
Follow the money...
1. New York Yankees = $482 Mill Revenue, $6b Value
2. Los Angeles Dodgers = $565 Mill, $4b
3. Boston Red Sox = $479 Mill, $3.9b
4. Chicago Cubs = $425 Mill, $3.8b
5. San Francisco Giants = $384 Mill, $3.5b
6. New York Mets = $302 Mill, $2.6b
7. St Louis Cardinals = $287 Mill, $ 2.4b
8. Philadelphia Phillies = $323 Mill, $2.3b
9. Los Angeles Angels = $331 Mill, $2.2b
10. Atlanta Braves = $443 Mill, $2.1b
Yup...Cleveland and New York are totally equal. Got it! Again, MLB desperately needs a hard salary cap. Nobody has presented anything to change my mind. Give me something to think about...ill wait.
Btw...every single one of those top 10 teams has won a World Series in the last 30 years...the Mets being the exception. No coincidence at all that major markets have an advantage without a salary cap though right?
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 7:13 am
Posted on 10/25/22 at 7:10 am to Errant_Knight
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Cleveland cannot even sell put their stadium when they produce a division winner
So you are actually sort of making my point to a degree
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