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re: Bought US Treasury 1y

Posted on 10/21/22 at 5:04 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 5:04 pm to
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I did the same thing with a 1 yr t bill Min Purchase 5 Principle 4928.60 Accrued Int. 69.53 Total Cost 4998.13 Is my cash account going to be debited 4928.60 or 4998.13 Which the 2nd value puts me paying the int. so I don't believe that is right by any means. Not much help on you tube or Think or Swim.

None of these prices make any sense for a 1 yr TBill. Are you sure it’s a T bill or is it a treasury note/bond?
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 5:10 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85136 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 5:09 pm to
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I did the bond wizard on US treasuries less than a year, but when I got to the purchase screen it was saying all kids of different shite and I had no idea what any of it meant.


It means you’re about to buy a $5000 face value treasury note for $4,809.22. You’ll receive $6.25 interest payments on 3/30/23 and 9/30/23, along with a $5000 principal payment on 9/30/23. The math on that works out to an annualized yield of 4.485%.

Treasury bills do not have coupon/interest payments. Treasury notes and bonds do.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38819 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 6:53 pm to
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Treasury bills do not have coupon/interest payments. Treasury notes and bonds do.


Glad you said this

My pricing makes sense to me now lol
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:06 pm to
Stock market dips creating a good buying opportunity so you go and buy bonds? What’s the reasoning behind this?
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
8973 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:39 pm to
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Stock market dips creating a good buying opportunity so you go and buy bonds? What’s the reasoning behind this?


I don’t think anyone is suggesting that you make bonds your primary investment strategy. I’d revisit that idea only if we hit 8%. If that happens; I’m buying some 20’s.

Many of us; including myself, have some amount of cash reserves or what many call a “rainy day fund”. An amount of money you keep aside uninvested. Money that you want to be high in liquidity.

For me; that money has spent the past decade sitting in a savings account accumulating absolutely minimal interest. I look at the Treasuries as being a somewhat less liquid alternative; but, with a major upside in terms of earning considerable risk free interest. If I need the cash immediately, I can simply sell them on the secondary market.

To be sure, I’m still maxing out my 401(k) and IRAs, and continue to buy stocks in my private brokerage account. Been buying the dips all the way down. The old adage is diversification is best. Bonds for the first time in my adult life are finally part of that.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38819 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:57 pm to
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Stock market dips creating a good buying opportunity so you go and buy bonds? What’s the reasoning behind this?




401k I want a certain amount more secure as I get older
Posted by thatguy777
br
Member since Feb 2007
2386 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:03 pm to
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Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:14 pm to
So this is your 3-6 month emergency funds?
Posted by wiltznucs
Apollo Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
8973 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 9:35 pm to
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So this is your 3-6 month emergency funds?


I grew up living only slightly above the poverty level. My father got laid off multiple times. My mother was a HS graduate and worked as a bank teller. It wasn’t fun, we really suffered for a while. We didn’t starve; but, even as a young man I knew my family was struggling. By time I was able to get a workers permit at age 13; I was working to pay for my own school lunches. My brother and I became very proficient hunters as we felt it was necessary to put food on the family table. Whitetail deer was the protein of choice for quite some time.

My wife’s story is much the same. Lost her father at age 13. Grew up on one income from what was a stay at home mom who had to go to the workforce to provide for her 3 daughters.

Old habits die hard. We keep two years worth of funds aside to be prepared for the unimaginable. My wife and I both unemployed for 24 months.

Which is a bit silly as we have no debt. Our home is paid for. As is our kids college and our cars, etc.

The upside of my irrational discipline is this. The guy maxing out his 401(k) at age 21 even though he shouldn’t? That was me. The guy who considered himself a Boglehead at age 30? Me too. I was a millionaire at age 41. A multimillionaire at age 44. Despite this; the fear of having to relive those years of my childhood is ever present. As a parent; I feel like I’m doing everything in my power to ensure that they experience all of those thing I didnt. Every move is calculated. I shouldn’t worry about money; and yet I do. Every single day. I don’t recommend it. It’s a special sort of torture.
This post was edited on 10/21/22 at 11:00 pm
Posted by tigersfan1989
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2018
1265 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:38 am to
Makes sense. Sounds like you are in a good spot congrats
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4429 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 2:09 pm to
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I’ve never met a soul who purchases T-bills through treasury direct, but yes, it is possible.
I did it last week with a minimal amount, just to walk through the process. It isn't bad if you already have an account, but I don't know if it's worth it to create an account just for normal treasuries. One advantage to treasurydirect is that transactions are free.
Posted by TeaParty
Member since May 2022
935 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 2:18 pm to
Curious. My only avenue I am aware of is either TD Ameritrade or Treasury Direct.

TDA has a minimum purchase of 5 so just under 5k. Tres. Direct has in $100 increments.

New to the bond, bill, note world. I did buy I-bonds thru Tres. Dir. and all is well and the purchase via web site was good.

Now the curious part. Is there a reason other than where you have money parked that Treasury Direct is not being talked about as a place to buy. (EDIT- Found a video and it looks like selling a T-Bill is a pain and very drawn out.)

Now a question , with Powell likely to raise rates again and probably again. Would buying very short term like 4 weeks then repurchasing after the next hike be in play. Or is the difference not enough to offset the State Taxes that would be due.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted by gpburdell
ATL
Member since Jun 2015
1425 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 3:15 pm to
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Curious. My only avenue I am aware of is either TD Ameritrade or Treasury Direct.



You can buy from Fidelity, Schwab, Vanguard etc. I buy at Fidelity and the minimum is 1k.

The advantage TD offers I believe is you can schedule a buy order ahead of the treasury announcement dates. With the brokerages, you have to wait until the announcement dates.
Posted by TeaParty
Member since May 2022
935 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 3:43 pm to
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You can buy from Fidelity, Schwab, Vanguard etc. I buy at Fidelity and the minimum is 1k.


Yeah I probably will start Funding my Fidelity account. I only have enough in there to keep it open. Currently TD Ameritrade is funded, but I don't like the 5k minimum. Not really a big deal. I'll keep an eye out for the next auction and see what available.

Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
1738 posts
Posted on 10/23/22 at 5:24 pm to
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I’ve never met a soul who purchases T-bills through treasury direct, but yes, it is possible.


I just opened an account for ibonds. It actually wasn’t too bad. I read that to lock in the 9% rate, the transaction had to be complete with a confirmation email by the 28th, and i was afraid that going through a third party may slow it.
Posted by TeaParty
Member since May 2022
935 posts
Posted on 10/23/22 at 5:52 pm to
I bonds thru tres direct is pretty straight foward. The t bills at cash in requires a form to be MAILED in and the transaction COULD take 13 weeks to complete. Someone did a you tube video showing that
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