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Why does denbrock ignore the quick passing game?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:17 pm
Defenses are basically playing prevent defense because they don’t want to get beat deep, which literally means they’re giving us the shorter routes. But denbrock is like meh I’ll just keep doing these long developing routes. As a coach, you have to make the game easier for your guys. Bubble screens and rollouts (maybe RPOs too) need to be used more. And I’m glad they had the players only meeting too because there’s plenty of blame to go around. Obviously Daniels is too apprehensive and the receivers have been too sloppy (nabers mentioned that). We’ll improve though because mettenberger and burrow improved throughout the season after a bad first month or so.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:22 pm to NEVA LOST
What’s crazy is that when they’ve gone do it, it works. Any of our guys on the outside can turn a hitch or slant into a house call. Bech on the drag route punishes corners and outruns linebackers.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:23 pm to NEVA LOST
Nothing about how the offense is called makes any sense.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:38 pm to NEVA LOST
Let’s just come out and bomb TennerC like we did Oklahoma in the semifinal game in 2019.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:40 pm to NEVA LOST
100% agree with this post. It's maddening they don't do this more often
Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:41 pm to NEVA LOST
I question this offensive scheme in the SEC.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:03 pm to NEVA LOST
Honestly this is a lot of what you call in a 2min offense and you see how well they have executed when trying to make a comeback. I’m no offensive mastermind by any means but is it that hard to call similar plays, not in a hurry up? You know like Mid second quarter…
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:17 pm to NEVA LOST
You guys are friggin drunks if you think LSU has ignored the quick hitters. We run them a lot. A few have been completed; Daniels sailed a few out of reach; and a few have been dropped. Our success rate has been low.
Rollouts are the stupidest fan idea of all - on a par with “muh…trick plays”. You can’t call roll outs against a seven man zone, which is what we’re facing most of the time. All that does is make the field smaller and the throwing lanes smaller.
Bubble screens are also ineffective against a seven man zone. To beat a seven man zone is simple…you play-action fake, and when the LBs take a step up, you float the ball over their head; and you have your receivers break down between the zones; and you hit seam routes. But what is required of all of these plays is a QB who reads it and throws the friggin ball. We don’t have that QB, which is why our opponents are playing seven man zones.
Rollouts are the stupidest fan idea of all - on a par with “muh…trick plays”. You can’t call roll outs against a seven man zone, which is what we’re facing most of the time. All that does is make the field smaller and the throwing lanes smaller.
Bubble screens are also ineffective against a seven man zone. To beat a seven man zone is simple…you play-action fake, and when the LBs take a step up, you float the ball over their head; and you have your receivers break down between the zones; and you hit seam routes. But what is required of all of these plays is a QB who reads it and throws the friggin ball. We don’t have that QB, which is why our opponents are playing seven man zones.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:20 pm to NEVA LOST
While I sorta agree with your assumption, I was surprised when watching the replay in slo mo, that that wasn't the case most of the time.
More often than not, 3 of our 4 receivers ran 3-5 yd patterns, generally running right up the defenders who were 3-5 yds away at ball snap. the defenders made contact and the route was virtually over. This was when we had 3rd and long. It was inexplicable to watch. Just appeared to be incompetence by our receivers coach and oc. It never changed throughout the game.
More often than not, 3 of our 4 receivers ran 3-5 yd patterns, generally running right up the defenders who were 3-5 yds away at ball snap. the defenders made contact and the route was virtually over. This was when we had 3rd and long. It was inexplicable to watch. Just appeared to be incompetence by our receivers coach and oc. It never changed throughout the game.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:28 pm to NEVA LOST
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Defenses are basically playing prevent defense because they don’t want to get beat deep, which literally means they’re giving us the shorter routes.
Did you watch the Auburn game, because that’s definitely not what they were doing. They bracketed Boutte, sat on short routes, played a lot of zone and basically dared us to throw deep. When we did attempt WR screens and short passes, guys were immediately in traffic after the catch.
Other than the pass to Emery out of the backfield that he took to the 1, Auburn was focused on stopping the short stuff and was usually in position to make the play. I expect most of our opponents the rest of the way will use a similar gameplan until we force them to have some respect for the deep ball.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:40 pm to NEVA LOST
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Defenses are basically playing prevent defense because they don’t want to get beat deep, which literally means they’re giving us the shorter routes. But denbrock is like meh I’ll just keep doing these long developing routes. As a coach, you have to make the game easier for your guys. Bubble screens and rollouts (maybe RPOs too) need to be used more. And I’m glad they had the players only meeting too because there’s plenty of blame to go around. Obviously Daniels is too apprehensive and the receivers have been too sloppy (nabers mentioned that). We’ll improve though because mettenberger and burrow improved throughout the season after a bad first month or so.
You have no idea what your watching. That is all...
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:54 pm to NEVA LOST
Pretty sure it is Daniel’s that dictates all of that
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:20 pm to NEVA LOST
A lot of the time we have quick routes and our o line is perfect but JD freezes and takes a bad sack or throws a bad pass…obviously ints are bad but he’s playing full on scared. Our wr can fight and our d is good enough to where it’s not the worst thing in the world
Posted on 10/4/22 at 11:00 pm to NEVA LOST
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Defenses are basically playing prevent defense because they don’t want to get beat deep, which literally means they’re giving us the shorter routes. But denbrock is like meh I’ll just keep doing these long developing routes.
None of this is really true, but I’ll address the easiest part first: Going into the Auburn game, a whopping 74% of our passing attempts were targeted <10 yards past the line of scrimmage.
The only reason Auburn isn’t included is that I don’t have a passing chart available yet.
So the contention that we aren’t making short throws is.. pretty silly. I would agree that we generally aren’t getting the ball out fast enough. But that looks like more a function of execution than playcalling. It also has nothing to do with whether opponents are “basically playing prevent defense” (SPOILER: they aren’t).
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 8:07 am to NEVA LOST
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Why does denbrock ignore the quick passing game?
Because it works
He seems to try everything that doesn't work.
We seem to move the ball well in a 2 minute drill.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:54 am to NEVA LOST
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Defenses are basically playing prevent defense
This is a good way to lose credibility in your first sentence
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:02 am to NEVA LOST
It’s as if a slant pass would kill this man. Or just a square out with a roll to that side
Make it easy bc it’s not as hard as you are making it
Make it easy bc it’s not as hard as you are making it
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 10:03 am
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:15 am to NEVA LOST
He's changed that aspect of the scheme since FSU.
Almost every play now has a check down and they're typically open. Problem is, QB bolts too quick.
Almost every play now has a check down and they're typically open. Problem is, QB bolts too quick.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:16 am to NEVA LOST
I wanna see the i-formation
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